Copter fight a tale of 2 East End towns

02/04/2011 11:09 AM |

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Some in Southold think East Hampton Town has not been negotiating in good faith over noisy helicopter traffic headed to the East Hampton Airport.
Pilot Joseph Fischetti, who has been representing Southold in negotiations with neighboring towns over the best way to address noise generated by helicopter traffic to East Hampton, said neither he nor anyone from the East End except East Hampton officials were invited to a helicopter meeting called by the FAA last November.

Moreover, he said, East Hampton Town Councilman Dominick Stanzione had told him that he had to answer to wealthy property owners who do not want helicopters that now head toward East Hampton along the North Fork re-routed southward over their homes.
“We need to take control again. We need to redirect traffic to the south shore route,” Mr. Fischetti told the Southold Town Board at a work session Tuesday morning.

Currently, most helicopters follow the north shore of Long Island, in part to avoid protected airspace around John F. Kennedy International Airport on the south shore. Mr. Fischetti said he believes East End towns should be able to negotiate an arrangement with the FAA that would allow helicopters departing from heliports in lower Manhattan to use a southern route.

He said departures from those heliports account for 75 percent of the helicopter traffic over the East End, while the remaining 25 percent of traffic comes from Teterboro and Westchester airports, for which it is reasonable to take a more northerly route east.
Last summer, the FAA drafted its first-ever proposal for special helicopter flight rules for Long Island, which would require helicopters to fly at least one mile offshore at an altitude of at least 2,500 feet. But they still would have to cross the North Fork at some point to approach East Hampton Airport.

A consortium of East End towns, including East Hampton but not Riverhead, asked the FAA to consider a second southern route, and to forbid traffic on the northern route to turn southward until Plum Gut so that they would not approach East Hampton Airport over the North Fork and Shelter Island. They also wanted the minimum altitude raised to 3,000 feet.

Mr. Fischetti said Mr. Stanzione had told him that some south shore residents had attorneys working to fight against any south shore route. Mr. Fischetti said he had told him that for his 15 opponents on the south shore, “We have 100,000 people being affected from Glen Cove, Port Washington, Riverhead, Southold and Shelter Island.”

Mr. Stanzione was in session at an East Hampton Town Board meeting Tuesday and was not immediately available for comment.

Southold Town Supervisor Scott Russell said he had also received a call from Mr. Stanzione, who said Mr. Fischetti was “stepping on a lot of toes” by pushing for the southern route. Mr. Russell said he had to ask Mr. Stanzione to send him a copy of a proposed town resolution to create a multi-town helicopter noise advisory committee that East Hampton had drafted for other towns to sign. When he did send it, Mr. Russell said he found the draft that did not take into consideration the issues other towns have had with helicopter noise.

“It’s the same thing we got when McGintee was there. We’re back in 2006,” said Mr. Russell, referring to former East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill McGintee, who resigned in 2009. “When push comes to shove, East Hampton takes care of themselves.”
Mr. Russell commented in an e-mail later that “the document simply showed a continued lack of understanding and cooperation from East Hampton on this issue. It was going well for a few months but, it is apparent that East Hampton is not ready to participate in anything that will not put its goals and priorities first.”

Mr. Russell said he believed he had support from Riverhead and Shelter Island officials to draft an alternative set of goals for reducing helicopter noise on the north shore.

“I wouldn’t do anything with East Hampton. I’d cut them out of everything,” said Councilman Chris Talbot.

Mr. Fischetti, who served as the airport noise abatement chairman at Gabreski Airport in Westhampton, said he couldn’t understand why all the airports on Long Island are on the south shore, but all the helicopter noise is on the north shore.

“We only have normal people here on the north shore. We don’t have power people here,” he said. “I have a feeling they left us out because I’m a loose cannon. They don’t want me there because I’m the only one who knows anything about aviation.

Everyone’s afraid of East Hampton. I’m not afraid of East Hampton.”

“Keep being a loose cannon,” Mr. Talbot advised.

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  • I still want to know “WHAT HELICOPTERS”. I am not hearing it…I know I’m not deaf…I have counted so FEW in the past few MONTHS including the SUMMER. Good grief…Let’s worry about the failing education system…let’s worry about our food supply…let’s worry about keeping our children and our communities safe.

  • Here we go again,spring soon in the air…and the incessant helicopter noise over fleets neck area of the north fork.If any one doubts it’s not there,come out to the Fleet’s Neck area,and join the noise.People just don’t make this up,just to make noise.I thought their was some progress,but it seems the big MONEY people,i.e,music industry,wall street,hollywood,are winning over the “little people”.If all the ‘little people” organize on the north fork,and take a stand their may be a chance to end this quality of life abuse.

  • I live on Pequash Avenue. They are flying directly over my property on their way to Fleets Neck. Some are lower than the 2,000 allowed altitude. The low fliers rattle my windows. This Sunday IN THE WINTER there were eight flights over the house and we were not there between 11 am and 4 pm.

  • I understand…I share your concern. Again, if all involved in this dreadful situation do not unite,in any way, big or small,the “power people” win..! And obviously,could care less.All southold and north fork are affected.Be vigilant,and stay informed.

  • I’m former life long resident of The NOFO and still go out there several times a week, throughout the year. I spend the most time out there in the Spring and Summer months, no need to explain why. My Mother still lives… in Mattituck, close to Mattituck airbase ( about 1/2 mile) and she’s across the street from an Inlet that leads out into The Great Peconic Bay. The point I’m making here is her house is almost directly under one of the most traveled routes used by the Helicopters as they cross over the part of the NOFO from the LI sound on their way to the East Hampton Town Airport.

    These Helicopter’s cross at maybe the widest part of Mattituck, which is maybe at best all of 2 miles. I stand in her back yard as I’m watching one these terrible destuctive modes of transportation, approaching the “air space” over her house at an altitude, if I had to guess has to be at least 2500 feet. Quickly, I yell Mom ! Quick here comes another one make sure you hold all your China in place so it doesn’t rattle off the shelves.

    In the 44 years I lived on the NOFO, since the time when they use to use Helicopters to spray the Potato and Cauliflower fields with pesticides to get rid of the Colorado Potato Bugs and whatever critters attacked the Vegetables grown out there at the time. And, until this very day I’ve never have had a Helicopter interfere with any conversation I was having with anyone inside or outside, in fact most of time if you were inside you were totally unaware of a Helicopter even being in the immediate vincinity. Furthermore, in the 44 years that my Mother has been living in the same house in Mattituck, with those horrible Helicopter’s flying overhead, I don’t she has lost one piece of China or any other tableware, nor have I or she ever heard so much as rattle as so many of you claim ! And, I’ve yet to see one fly by within 5 minutes of another, to even begin to remotely sound like the NOFO was in any kind of a WAR ZONE ! Please, give it a rest already, don’t you people have anything more important going on in your lives than to let a little background noise ruin your day ? If you can’t stand so much….MOVE !

  • I’m former life long resident of The NOFO and still go out there several times a week, throughout the year. I spend the most time out there in the Spring and Summer months, no need to explain why. My Mother still lives… in Mattituck, close to Mattituck airbase ( about 1/2 mile) and she’s across the street from an Inlet that leads out into The Great Peconic Bay. The point I’m making here is her house is almost directly under one of the most traveled routes used by the Helicopters as they cross over the part of the NOFO from the LI sound on their way to the East Hampton Town Airport.

    These Helicopter’s cross at maybe the widest part of Mattituck, which is maybe at best all of 2 miles. I stand in her back yard as I’m watching one these terrible destuctive modes of transportation, approaching the “air space” over her house at an altitude, if I had to guess has to be at least 2500 feet. Quickly, I yell Mom ! Quick here comes another one make sure you hold all your China in place so it doesn’t rattle off the shelves.

    In the 44 years I lived on the NOFO, since the time when they use to use Helicopters to spray the Potato and Cauliflower fields with pesticides to get rid of the Colorado Potato Bugs and whatever critters attacked the Vegetables grown out there at the time. And, until this very day I’ve never have had a Helicopter interfere with any conversation I was having with anyone inside or outside, in fact most of time if you were inside you were totally unaware of a Helicopter even being in the immediate vincinity. Furthermore, in the 44 years that my Mother has been living in the same house in Mattituck, with those horrible Helicopter’s flying overhead, I don’t she has lost one piece of China or any other tableware, nor have I or she ever heard so much as rattle as so many of you claim ! And, I’ve yet to see one fly by within 5 minutes of another, to even begin to remotely sound like the NOFO was in any kind of a WAR ZONE ! Please, give it a rest already, don’t you people have anything more important going on in your lives than to let a little background noise ruin your day ? If you can’t stand so much….MOVE !

  • “There is currently a shortage of superintendents,” Dr. Gerstenlauer said. “I think if you put a cap on the salary, that’s going to exacerbate the shortage in the employee pool and I think districts are going to have a lot of difficulty finding well-suited and qualified candidates to take these positions.”

    I dont.

  • These superintendents, especially Mr. Bonasera should be ASHAMED to collect these outrageous salaries and have no problem cutting programs for the children! Districts like Miller Place and Mt. Sinai are losing their drama and art programs, slashing programs like clubs that children in the high school need to get into good colleges and the superintendents are laughing all the way to the bank! I challenge just ONE superintendent to VOLUNTEER a salary cut in order to save school programs! I would also like to see the North Shore Sun write a follow up article and list all the proposed program cuts in the surrounding districts that are being slashed by these superintendents.

  • There is absolutely no reason for any of them to be making more than 175k. It’s completely unacceptable. Qualified? What does one need to be qualified, Gerstenlauer? Ridiculous. I’m sure there are PLENTY of “qualified” administrators who would JUMP at the chance to take over your position and those under you in Longwood for even less than 175k! Wake up Dr. Gerstenlauer!

  • There is absolutely no reason for any of them to be making more than 175k. It’s completely unacceptable. Qualified? What does one need to be qualified, Gerstenlauer? Ridiculous. I’m sure there are PLENTY of “qualified” administrators who would JUMP at the chance to take over your position and those under you in Longwood for even less than 175k! Wake up Dr. Gerstenlauer!

  • There is absolutely no reason for any of them to be making more than 175k. It’s completely unacceptable. Qualified? What does one need to be qualified, Gerstenlauer? Ridiculous. I’m sure there are PLENTY of “qualified” administrators who would JUMP at the chance to take over your position and those under you in Longwood for even less than 175k! Wake up Dr. Gerstenlauer!

  • and some call him Pig.

  • Please – where is there a “shortage of superintendents”??? I’m sure we can find plenty who would be willing to make $175K/year. I think what they are making for the job they do is MORE than fair and they know it. They also know that they can’t go anywhere else and make the type of money they are making. They aren’t going anywhere…

  • Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Bonasera, Anthony J Ndr $402,944 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Burk, John J Ndr $151,817 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Cardo, Roger P Ndr $162,778 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Casswell, Edward W Ndr $170,056 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Dwyer, William M Ndr $163,801 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Dyroff, Matthew J Ndr $161,651 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Finnican, James B Ndr $150,835 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Gentilcore, John C Ndr $163,055 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Grable, Robert M Ndr $163,007 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Jensen, Linda F Ndr $187,947 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Kulik, Gary J Ndr $153,697 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Labianca, Frank N Ndr $168,213 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Mantone, Stephen E Ndr $177,187 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Matthews, Andrew E Ndr $162,987 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Nau-Ritter, Glynis M Ndr $163,206 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Reh, Scott C Ndr $166,721 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Shapiro, Peter G Ndr $166,777 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Williams-Timo, Deena L Ndr $191,119 2010
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Gentilcore, John C Ndr $159,890 2009
    Mount Sinai Union Free Schools Reh, Scott C Ndr $163,403 2009

  • I was always wondering who lived in the large, beatiful homes on those huge lots along North Country Road in Mt. Sinai and Miller Place. I would have to believe that alot of qualified individuals from across the US would relocate here and accept a $160,000 salary. I do not think there will be a shortage of “qualified candidates”.

  • From the picture above, it doesn’t look like anyone would be starving even on a 46% pay cut.

  • From the picture above, it doesn’t look like anyone would be starving even on a 46% pay cut.

  • From the picture above, it doesn’t look like anyone would be starving even on a 46% pay cut.

  • ALTHOUGH I SEE MANY OF THESE SALARIES OUT OF HAND I DON’T BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BLAME THE SUPERINTENDENTS 100%.IT IS YOUR SCHOOL BOARDS WHO ADVERTISE AND NEGOTIATE THE SALARIES AND PERKS THESE ADMINISTRATORS RECEIVE.THE SUPER HAS AN ATTNY AND THE SCHOOL HAS AN ATTNY …NEXT THING YOU KNOW …THE BOARD IS BOWING TO THE NEW ADMIN AND SELLING OUT US AND GIVES AWAY THE HOUSE.
    NEXT ELECTION MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHO YOU VOTING FOR THE BOARDS HELP BUT MONEY WISE THEY ALSO HURT..REMEMBER YOUR BOARD PRESIDENT SIGNS ALL DOCUMENTS AND CONTRACTS FOR YOUR DISTRICT……AFTER THE BOARD VOTES AND APPROVES EVRYTHING…

  • This is great news… hope it goes through… teachers next!

  • Please administrators stop with the fear tactics as you’re bargaining chip! If the current school superintendants are stating they can’t and / or won’t do their job for the reasonable salaries being offered under the salary cap I am confident that there are many highly qualified, highly educated professional people on Long Island that will step up to the plate and fill their position for the salary being offered. The money being saved by the salary cap will surly help keep some other key personal stay employed at their basic salaries, help save some programs for our children’s continued education, provide some tax payer debt relief and help close our states budget gap.

  • Whore out your town/Whore out your district.

  • Laurie is right. Some of the members of the BOE are like bobbleheads that just nod and agree at whatever nonsense the Superintendent says or does. They either lack the acumen or the courage to publicly challenge their Superintendent and-or the President and it’s very unfortunate.

    I urge you to go to your budget meetings and get involved. Don’t be afraid to speak up. The great majority of us in these districts are providing these local entities with at least $7,500 to $10,000 of your hard-earned after-tax dollars. For those that don’t reach those figures your opinion is not worth any less.

    Take a look at the school websites. Find out when the next meeting takes place and make sure you attend. Looks like Miller Place and Mount Sinai both have their meetings on the 16th of March at their respective locations.

    Again, get involved. Address these Board of Education members with your concerns and if they remain silent and on the sidelines in the public meetings then vote them out in the next election. Quite honestly, if they aren’t vocal….especially during “these” challenging times, one is left to infer that they’re only there to nourish their egos while lacking the passion or acumen to affect the change that is so strongly needed in this environment.

  • Unfortuantely the BOE candidates are all pro whatever the teachers want. Who else is going to be elected? The public must demand that they disclose how they would vote when it comes to any negotiations regarding salaries.

  • Please contact Governor Walker in Wisconsin to support abolishing the Unions, cutting salaries, and laying off unnecessary school district workers in order to reduce the Wisconsin Debt and reduce the Taxpayer burden. Let him know about our situation. This will send a huge tidal wave across the nation to state kie ours facing a similar situation.

    http://walker.wi.gov/section.asp?linkid=1714&locid=177

  • No…that would be dumb.

    Collective bargaining is far to precious to sacrifice.

  • You are correct: for an illiterate mineworker. For teachers, no. Are you afraid they will be asked to work 200 days instead of 180? I think teachers are afraid they are going to have to put in a full year’s work for their salary, just like most people (even in the public sector, who are paid far less than teachers) are. Look at what they have, it’s basically a part time job. If you spread the 180 day school year over the entire year, they’re working about 3.5 days per week. Oh now, I know, they grade papers, and “stuff” (as if we private sector/self employed/independent contractors don’t do work at home), but most of the teachers I know spend their summer on a boat or camping, or traveling. Who do you think used to rent out here in the past? Winter rentals were REALLY cheap. Teachers would rent someplace out on the NF from September through June, and travel the entire summer. Don’t take my word for it, talk to any old timer and they’ll tell you.

  • We agree that taxpayers should be going to these meetings .They are just as important as going to a Town Board Meeting.However it has been my experience that Parents are afraid to open their mouths.They think their Child will be attacked in some way to get back at the Parent.Here in Riverhead it has happened …It happened to me with one of our past Supers.I was PTO President at the High School.I always told my Parents that it didn’t matter if I agreed with them or not but if they had a concern or comments let me know and I will bring it up at the Meetings.I supported the Parents and respected their concerns.So one day I was called to that Supers office and I was told”I can suspend your Son “.I continued I didn’t let him stop me.Next thing I knew I walked into the High School and a Teacher said”Oh good your here for the meeting” “What Meeting”?”The meeting with the Special Ed committee” LMAO..This kid was not Special Ed.I went to the Principal He said “What meeting”? LOL he had no clue either.Well it was a major attack….They wanted papers signed …You know what I told them they could do with those papers.The bottom line here is that ,Parents have to speak up.It don’t matter if you agree with the Board or the other Parents .We were all born under the same Constitution.
    Bottom line is educate yourself ..Google make calls and ask questions.Don’t always take what the board tells you as gospel .If something doesn’t sound right..look into it.

    ..

  • Some very good points are made here. There’s plenty of room for improvement and cost containment in the schools; and the Boards of Education need to present some ideas that have “nothing” to do with “Albany’s stipulations” as these Superintendents always like to ‘hide-behind’.
    For instance, can someone provide me with a scenario where any of these elementary schools (some having four or five) need more than two physical education teachers (one man and one woman)? To students between the ages of 6 and 10, these “educators” are introducing advanced forms of duck-duck-goose. I’m really not sure why two individuals cannot fulfill these duties for a small-school environment with the primary elementary teacher for a class lending a hand as well.

  • I agree with you Pace..However in my District Riverhead.The Teachers get Lunch and Prep time.They work about 5 hours out of the day.They get paid extra to fill in for someones class in fact here it’s $150.00.That bothers me because they are still getting paid for their free time on top of that.Yes we pay them for lunch….again..it’s the BOE that gives everything away….

  • What is wrong with this picture?
    Miller Place School District student population: 3,000, Deputy Sup Salary : $198,000
    Mt. Sinai School District student population : 2,600, Superintendent Salary:$ 295,000
    Pt. Jefferson Sch District student population : 1,300, Superintendent Salary: $304,000
    Rocky Point School Dist student population: 3,400 , Deputy Sup Salary: $166,000
    Shoreham-WR School Dist student population: 2,700, Superintendent Salary:$233,000
    Combine above 5 school district’s population: 13,000, Combined Salaries: $1,196,000
    Sachem School District student population: 14,800 , Superintendent Salary $203,000
    If Superintendent Nolan can administer a student population of more than 14,800 students, why can’t you have one superintendent for the five school districts totaling only 13,000 students, even at double Nolan’s salary at $406,000 would save those districts $792,000.

    **Source: NYS Report Card and seethroughny.net

  • I agree. If we gave up on the petty oneupsmanship and had any sense in our heads we’d fire this pig and combine the whole thing from Mt Sinai-WR.

  • NOTICE: Unless you take action, these PIGs will keep taking the taxpayers money. In Southold, we have already started a coalition and begun our research into our fiasco in our Town. We are going after answers to justify salaries and we are attacking the Unions as well. Government workers on the East end per household make more than than a private sector working families. The Town of Southold is this the wealthiest and largest employer. Start DEMANDING AN ANSWER TO YOUR TAXES!

  • This man and many others will be slaughtered as PIG’s. The Public milking system is about to end and I can’t wait to see these Town’s crumble.

  • More good points Billy. Or explain why an elementary school librarian just retired, in the Mattituck Cutchogue school district should have been making over 90,000.

  • It is much easier to buy gold today than it was 30 years ago. Gold bullion coins are easily bought and sold with the click of a mouse. Not only is it easier to buy gold, but gold investments are exploding onto the investment scene like never before. In fact, gold coin sales by the U.S. mint in recent months have outpaced the gold coin sales of the prosperous-for-gold 1970’s. Despite this recent fact, the gold price is just beginning its increase.

  • I think a Superintendent of a school district should live in the same district he is a Superintendent of and pay the same taxes as we do. I want to thank all Superintendents for forcing seniors to move away from their families just to afford to live. I want to thank all Superintendents for holding our home prices down because of the tax rate. I want to thank all Superintendents for milking the system we have. I would think it’s time for these Superintendents to retire while the getting is good because my community in Mt. Sinai will be saying no to the next budget. Are all of these Superintendents and teachers so blind that they can’t see how bad a shape our country and State is in at this time? How about sucking up your pride and give us a break. By the way give me a $100,000 and I will fill the position. Better yet just pay my mortgage and taxes and give me a car and I will take the Job. Sometimes to much smarts makes you stupid. This is the case we have here now. Blind and Stupid.

  • Over 1,500 pink slips were sent out to State, County and Town public servants this weekend in the State of Wisconsin. I can’t wait until it happens in our Towns here on Long Island. The police and National Guard are on alert at the Wisconsin State Capital due to this crisis because these “public” leeches are crying and protesting. Where’s my violin!

  • Mt Sinai and SWR are definitely circling the drain.
    MPs not too far behind and if RP falls asleep,theyre next.

  • Its about time this became an issue . Wait till Govenor Cuomo sees there are teachers on Long Island who make more than he does , or close to it. These salaries are wonderful and maybe appropriate for a full time position but they should be prorated for the 184 days work a year, 7 hours/day (which includes lunch and prep time) or 1288 hrs/year that are worked. Compare this to the private sector where a full time equivalent employee salary is based (as an example) on 260 days /year, 7.5 hrs/day(minus a half hour for lunch), 1950 hrs/year. Thats close to an extra 95 days pay per year if you’re a teacher over and above the rest of us. Thats the fact that irritates the majority of residents who’s taxes continue to fund these ridiculous salaries.

  • Reality check- Read the contracts. Lets look at actual instructional contact hours. Most contracts call for 5 instructional periods per day per HS teacher. At 41 minutes per period, that is 205 minutes for actual instruction, or 3.42 hrs per day. Most calenders have at least two snow days built into them. Then there are 2 Superintendnts conference days, and, oh yes at least eight more days for Regents exams. That is 172 instructional contact days. Actual instructional time averages 587 hours per year. I understand that certain teachers need ALOT more time for course preps and test scorings, but there are many “specials” teachers that have none of this. Why are they getting paid the same amount?

  • Reality check- Read the contracts. Lets look at actual instructional contact hours. Most contracts call for 5 instructional periods per day per HS teacher. At 41 minutes per period, that is 205 minutes for actual instruction, or 3.42 hrs per day. Most calenders have at least two snow days built into them. Then there are 2 Superintendnts conference days, and, oh yes at least eight more days for Regents exams. That is 172 instructional contact days. Actual instructional time averages 587 hours per year. I understand that certain teachers need ALOT more time for course preps and test scorings, but there are many “specials” teachers that have none of this. Why are they getting paid the same amount?

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  • To Unsatisfyed Cunsumer,

    Sorry to hear that he cheats his employees as well. I would spread the word that not only is he not honest and a cheat, but he expects others to build his business and then screws them as well. He brings a new meaning to DEAD BEAT!

    Signed

    An Honest Son