Letters to the editor

02/09/2011 8:19 PM |

SOUTHOLD
Way to go, Joe
In last week’s paper there was a lengthy article about the ongoing battle between East Hampton and the rest of the world over the routes helicopters should take on their way to the land of the rich and famous.
As expected, one East Hamptonite (sounds like a piece of flooring, doesn’t it?) again brought up the word “lawyer,” which is usually done to scare people off. Fortunately, we have someone I believe will not be scared off in Joe Fischetti, who I would like to thank publicly for his efforts on behalf of all of us on the North Fork.
We must not, however, let the task at hand fall on the shoulders of one individual. I hope the Town of Southold will do everything in its power to assist Joe in this fight, including lighting a fire under our elected officials, especially the federal ones. After all, the FAA is going to have a lot to say about instituting and enforcing the policy that is eventually put in place.
This leads me to one last thought: I assume the helicopter services involved have to file passenger manifests with the FAA for all their flights. I wonder how many times, if at all, the names of our elected officials or members of their staffs appear on those manifests and, if so, how their flights were paid for.
Patrick Lohn

SOUTHOLD
No way to run a RR
As many residents of Southold Town are aware, Long Island Rail Road service on the North Fork is laughable at best and it has long been clear that the region is not a priority for North America’s largest commuter railroad.
Recently this unimportance was magnified by a snowdrift, of all things. On Friday, Jan. 21, an eastbound train lodged itself in a drift just east of Cox Lane in Cutchogue. While this may seem impossible given that the locomotive alone weighs 128 tons, it’s a common problem on the Greenport branch. Because there are so few trains, and so much track runs through open fields, drifting is inevitable.
I can forgive the train becoming disabled in a drift, but I cannot excuse the evacuation that took nearly two hours. With only 25 passengers on board, why should it take such an inordinate amount of time to safely remove them from the train? There was nothing life-threatening outside the train car. Aside from the snow, I see no reason that the evacuation should have been delayed.
As a regular commuter on the Greenport branch, this is the latest in a long line of insults. It’s a safe bet that if such an incident had occurred on any other of the railroad’s 11 branches, it would not have taken two hours to evacuate. If it had, it would have been all over the news.
But because of the lack of ridership, the LIRR can get away with sub-par service on the Greenport branch. I remember being told in March 2010 that the MTA would “seek to improve service on the North Fork.” If anything, the opposite has occurred and unfortunately, there seems to be no end in sight.
Michael Arnone

CUTCHOGUE
An absence of facts
“Southold Trustee says dogs, geese responsible for West Creek pollution”, said last week’s Suffolk Times article, failing to mention relevant facts and presenting unsupported conclusions as facts.
The article does not mention that there is dense residential development all along the eastern shore of West Creek, from the humongous residence right on the southeasterly point at the mouth of the channel to the head of the creek at Wickham’s Farm. What do we know about the number and conditions of the cesspools in the creekside houses?
The article does not mention that Cutchogue Harbor Marina has a 200-gallon holding tank for boat pump-outs. How do we know if any boat that has been docking there has been pumping out into the water without using the pump-out facility? I assume, although there was no mention in the article, that the marina also has an on-site wastewater treatment system, or, in layman’s terms, a cesspool.
The article does not mention nitrogen pollution. Nitrogen pollution, aka nutrient pollution, was identified by the Peconic Baykeeper in Baywatch 2010 as possibly “the single greatest threat to Long Island’s estuaries.”
Even Baywatch 2010 fails to mention that nitrogen is a nutrient for coliform bacteria. The pollution issue involves where the bacteria come from and also how they stay alive and multiply.
Without correct analysis of all relevant data, all conclusions are suspect.
Benja Schwartz

CUTCHOGUE

Here’s the real poop
I read the article about scooping poop and trustee Bredemeyer’s concern for getting our closed creeks opened again.
A long time ago when I suggested to a neighbor, who is a world class biologist, that we have a pollution problem because of wild geese pooping in our creeks, he said: “Do you also object to fish poop, deer poop, cat, fox, rabbit poop, etc.?”  After all, we do live in the country.
Apparently the real problem polluting our water is what people put on their lawns and automobile residue on the roads, which runs off through storm drains into the creeks. Converting the storm drains into dry wells is an expensive infrastructure project and will be slow to come about.
Creek closure is more a problem of bureaucratic inactivity. Any high volume of rain water flushed into the creeks raises the levels of pollutants temporarily, but creeks are tidal. They are flushed every twelve hours.
But once a creek gets two negative readings in a row, it is closed by the DEC. To reopen it, its water must pass thirty inspections in a row. Inspections occur every three months, if there are no budget restrictions that limit inspections by the DEC. Professional baymen go crazy because of this bureaucratic snafu.  
I spoke with an inspector about my creek being closed and he explained that because there was a marina at its mouth, it was closed as a precaution. He said they had no way to guarantee that boat owners would not flush their toilets into the creek water, but they had found no evidence of pollution at the mouth of the creek. It all depends when and where the readings are taken. The DEC is very conservative and does not want to be held responsible for any incidences of illness.
How do you get the creeks open again?  By spending more money on dry wells and inspections, which doesn’t seem to be available. Not by harassing people with more regulations that won’t solve the problem anyway.  
Alex Wipf

GREENPORT
Stay with NFAWL
It has come to my attention that the Town of Southold is soliciting bids for the operation of the animal shelter on Peconic Lane. I just have one question. Why?
When I shared my concerns with a member of the Town Board, the answer was there were “personality issues” that existed between the board and the North Fork Animal Welfare League. I found this comment most disturbing, unprofessional and less than what I expect from my town representative.
Can’t we just follow the advice in the “Godfather” movie, “It’s not personal, it’s just business” and keep politics and personalities at bay? The issue is animal care, not who you would invite to your next barbecue.
We should be thankful and appreciative to have such a dedicated and responsible organization as the NFAWL caring for those that have no voice in our community. We should show our appreciation by negotiating a fair and reasonable contract with them as quickly as possible.
The NFAWL has operated the animal shelter for the past 30 years and until 18 months ago, when the new facility was completed, the working conditions for the staff were shockingly below standard. In spite of this, the NFAWL consistently provided an outstanding level of care for the animals.
I began volunteering at the shelter about seven years ago and from my observations, the NFAWL is an organization whose mission is to provide stellar care for all animals in need, not just dogs as the law requires.
Their executive director, Gillian Pultz, is well known and respected in the community and has 16 years of invaluable personal experience in the operation of our shelter. They have an incredibly dedicated staff who always puts the animals first.
As the records show, it’s the most cost-effectively run shelter on all of Long Island.
As an avid animal lover, I am concerned about the welfare of all animals, whether they be cats, rabbits, birds, ferrets or snakes. I cringe to think of what would have happened to the thousands of poor creatures that found themselves homeless in the Town of Southold in the last 30 years if it were not for the NFAWL, which rescued all these poor voiceless souls.
If the town is so displeased with how the NFAWL has been operating the shelter for the last 30 years, why have they waited until now to solicit bids for a new organization to replace them?
The timing of the town’s decision seems a bit suspect. Now that humane conditions have been provided for the shelter workers and the animals they care for, the Town Board wants to fire the crew of dedicated individuals who have been doing this job for 30 years.
Susan Ellsworth

EAST MARION
She got it wrong
I would like to take this opportunity to rebut the letter from MaryAnn Fleischman titled “It’s way out of hand” (Feb. 3).  
She stated that teachers were making $193,000 a year as a base salary and that “If someone offered me $193,000 for 180 days of work I’d jump on it.”
First of all, there is not one school on the North Fork that even approaches $193,000 a year for a base salary (I checked seethroughny.net too).
Secondly, to work those “180 days” you need at least a master’s degree. (If you need some credits I could lend you some of mine. But you’re on your own for the thesis.)   If you take into account all my credit hours, professional development time and curriculum development hours, I have somewhere around a master’s degree plus an additional 110 credits, I think and probably more. I actually stopped counting after I obtained a master’s degree plus 75 additional credits.
But like most of the individuals in my profession I continue to develop my skills as an educator even after I have exhausted the maximum credits allowed by the contract. That means spending large portions of my summer “vacation” attending workshops, developing curriculum and attending training.
On the weekends I spend anywhere from four to 10 hours calling parents, planning lessons and grading papers. I have been known to occasionally hold Saturday review session to prepare students for the state Regents Exam and arrive at school before sunrise to further assist students and develop my instructional skills.
Tell me I am overpaid. Tell me I do not deserve the money I make. You can blame my salary for “sinking the Titanic,” but do not minimize my profession to only “180 days” a year.  
It is insulting and “way out of hand.”
Gregory Wallace

MATTITUCK
Our common vision
America at its best. That’s what it was on Monday night, on Jan. 31 at the town recreation center on Peconic Lane in Peconic.
Many, Americans all, came together to talk about what they want Southold Town to look like in the years to come and how to do it.
Sitting together in groups of 10 or more, we all spoke respectfully of what is needed and what each of us can do to not only protect what we have, but also to grow as a town and as a people.
It seemed we came from all walks of life, values and perspectives. But we all agreed on one major thing, and that is, this is our town. Let’s work together and save it. Yes, we all said. It’s worth saving.
Jack McGreevy

MATTITUCK
Save the innocents
There has been a lot of talk about saving the whales, the elephants, tigers and other animals. What about the innocent lives that are being aborted and discarded like trash?
Who is rallying to save these little innocent, unborn babies? Not fetuses, but little helpless babies. Are they not as important as the animals?
Write to our president, senators and congressmen. Do something to help save these unborn babies, future humans like yourselves.
Rose Rogers

ORIENT
Sound and sense
During this “winter of our discontent,” a large enthusiastic crowd found its way through the thick fog, icy snow, heavy rain, lightning and thunder to Poquatuck Hall on Village Lane in Orient this past Saturday (2/5/11) to enjoy an evening filled with pleasure and tremendous talent, the 6th annual Celebration of Poetry and Art, an evening created to celebrate poetry at its finest.
With extremely talented local poets such as Anne MacKay, Billy Hands, Harvey Feinstein, Kimberly Abruzzo, Pierre Gazarian and others participating, listening and watching was pure joy. I’m sure many in the audience felt one of the highlights of the evening was Suffolk County Poet Laureate Tammy Nuzzon-Morga’s presentation.
Ah yes, talented poets each, providing us with their own personal style of words and thoughts and images and delivery style.
The frosting on the cake, was surely the wonderful art work hanging on the walls by local artists, such as well-known Alan Bull and Annie Wildey, our artist-in-residence living and working at the William Steeple Davis House & Studio on King Street. Also shown were art pieces by Paula DiDonato and Holly Mastrangelo.
Our deepest thanks must be extended, not only to the participants and attendees, but to Linton Duell who expertly organizes this wonderful happening yearly and is such a capable master of ceremonies, and to all who help him make it a reality.
Needless to say, much time and effort must go into the planning for it to always be such a successful event.
From those of us who found motivation and courage to attend in such inclement weather, and for those who participated, thank you for once again making it such a memorable, delicious evening, one we can hopefully look forward to in mid winter 2012.
What a treat. Lucky us.
Susan Utz

MIDDLE ISLAND
Can’t reach goals without music
In his State of the Union address, President Obama called on this country to “spark the creativity and imagination of our people” and “out-educate and out-innovate the rest of the world.” Students in the fine and performing arts programs in Long Island schools — and throughout this state and nation — are in the pipeline, ready to take on the challenge. However, a tax cap could prevent this from continuing in future years.
There is a strong relationship between the arts and the skills in creative problem-solving and higher-order thinking that our students will need to be successful in the 21st-century economy. Our students excel not only in the arts, but academically. Many of them are in the top 10 or 20 of their graduating classes, and on the honor roll. In fact, all of the Intel Science Finalists are involved in their school arts programs.
Long Island music programs have the largest percentage of students selected to the New York State School Music Association (NYSSMA) All-State ensembles, and can boast 74 selected to perform in the MENC All-Eastern ensembles in Baltimore this April.
Our art students exhibit works throughout Long Island, New York State and beyond through events sponsored by several art associations including the New York State Art Teachers Association.
Over the past four years, the Long Island Arts Alliance’s Scholar Artist program recognized 80 students as scholar artists and over 200 as Award of Excellence winners for their academic achievements and their talents in music, visual and media arts, theater and dance.
In light of cuts in state aid and the impending implementation of a property tax cap, it is imperative for our local communities to continue to ensure that our arts education programs remain intact.
Dr. John Gallagher

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  • This pertains to the letter written by Greg Wallace, “She got it wrong”. Greg, MaryAnn Fleischman used to work at Greenport Schools under the name of MaryAnn Milligan and she was on the same tenure track as any other teacher but for some reason the Administration at Greenport had the insight to abolish her position. I WONDER WHY?

  • Hi, this is (the former) MaryAnn Milligan. After my divorce, and when my daughter was comfortable that our names were different, I returned to my maiden name of Fleischman. Yes I worked 6 years and was tenured at Greenport School District, leaving in June 2001. If you check back to the Suffolk Times newspaper coverage of the year during which Charlie Kozora and GHS The Board of Education were in process of ablolishing the social worker position,you will read extensively about the community who spoke out not to do it. And the student population protested loudly to keep me in position, quoting I was “a popular social worker”. I pissed off the superintendent and the head of the (then referenced) Irish Mafia and the head lady of the GHS Board Of Education. There were six situations, heavy duty situations, occurring over a year period where I, as a social worker, had to choose between being politically correct and advocating for what was the best couse of action for my client/student/family. Ethically I will never expose the true situations to the public, there for I took the heat, and lost my job. Yes, I had tenure in the district and I technically and legally did nothing wrong so the only way to discharge me was to abolish the position. They had to wait 7 years to get a social worker back on staff, else they were leagally required to call me back.. They waited 7 years to the day, as I predicted they would! Gillian Ruroede has been the school social worker every since, because the district needs a social worker desperately. The powers to be did the community a shameful disservice for 7 years to be without a social worker, so vital to the mental health of the students. Thank you for the opportunity to speak my side which has been silent all these years. There have been sooooo much gossip and wonderment by soooooo many people who only relied on the one side of this story. The attempt to discredit me personnally and professionally has been evident by the stories that circulate around evern today, is so bizarre! A study in human behavior for sure! I’d like to talk further with you when ever you’d like! I chucckle when I hear new gossip about me during this time period. And yes by now I would be making approximately $125,000.00 annually. If only I’d have kept my mouth shut, been a good politician, kissed ass, and put the needs of the clients out the wayside! Let’s not forget that because of this situation I learned about the black ball of eduacation… Not too many people know that shortly after being fired from GHS, I started a job in the jail as a BOCES school social worker. Within one month, my skills were appreciated and my new client population was very receptive to the interventions. Then my name went in front of the Board of BOCES and they were in a quandry. A BOCES Board member was the same GHS Board member! And she trashed my name to that BOARD. They couln’t fire me cause I am an excellant social worker. She was pissed! She tried at ever stop to remove me…for doing my job!! My new bosses, THREE of them advocated for me to stay in the position. By the end of that school year the BOCES Board ‘abolished ‘ that social work position! Since then I have been black-ball, not by choice, but removed from the north forth inner educational circle. I am in private therapy practice with many former clients, former students and their families. As time passes I also have worked with children of the children from former students. I still get to do what I am good at, only not as it would be at a $125,000. annual per year income GHS school social worker. Is there anything more that YOU WONDER WHY? Your name attached would also be nice and appreciated. I don’t hold grudges, and prefer straight up dialogue knowing to whom I am talking to. It is releaseing to be able to speak this here, thank you.

  • Gregory Wallace, You got it wrong. There are teachers on the North Fork making $193,000. Just look at the school records, which are for public viewing. I applaud you for getting your masters and updating your teaching skills. This is what you signed on for. As for the extra help, that is your decision, not all of which is required. Mary Ann Fleischman was in no way demeaning your salary. I applaud you for continuing your education, but the taxpayers are fed up with teachers complaining about there salaries.

  • Actually Gregory Wallace, maybe you should go check out the baseline of salaries for those teachers from a particular school on the northfork on the website – and really look. Mary Ann didn’t have the intention to insult teachers, just show tax payers where their actualy money is going; not really to the kids, but mainly to teachers paychecks. Congrats on having your Master’s, Mary Ann has her’s as well.

  • To greg: this past summer i golfed with a veteran east end high school teacher. He told me that he played 6 to 8 rounds a week. During the school year, he teaches “economics” . I have an mba, and told him that i very much enjoyed learning about ISLM ,a very well known , elegant economic theory attributed to Keynes. His response? ” never heard of it”. This teacher obviously lacked any intellectual curiousity whatsoever. I wonder how many smart students he has failed to inspire? I wonder about his salary and benefits? I wonder how many teachers have similar a lack of curiousity?

  • No where in this letter is there any complaint about the salary Mr. Wallace is making.

  • No where in this letter is there any complaint about the salary Mr. Wallace is making.

  • Gregory makes the same mistake all educators do when they cite their higher credentials: he thinks that the more degrees you get, the more money you make. That may be true in the educational realm, but in the real world, there are plenty of people with higher degrees who are unemployed or underemployed. In the Fantasyland of “education world” there is no danger of being downsized, cut, fired, or losing pension money.

  • Gregory Wallace makes the same mistake many others in education make: he cites all his degrees to justify his salary. In the real world (as opposed to the Fantasyland of Education-World) people with degrees don’t get raises just because they get more credits. They don’t have jobs for life, regular pay increases, pensions that are immune to the markets. The air is rarified in Education-World.

  • I would like to inform everyone that Greg Wallace never once mentioned anything about salaries. Greg is a very dedicated teacher who only cares about the success of his students. I have witnessed how his students enjoyed and are inspired through his teaching. If you are an educator today you know how much time you spend on lesson planing and differentiating lessons so that each child receives the best education possible. Also not to mention how much money is personally shelled out of teachers pockets to make sure they have all the resources to teach each and every student. As educators we are consistently working through out the summer to make sure that we are prepared for the following year and attending workshops through out the summer to make sure your children get the best education they can get. So who ever say’s that we only work 180 days a year has the wrong conception of what a dedicated teacher is.

  • For once, Benja’ s words are correct. Bravo! It is certainly MORE than dogs and geese polluting our waters, and NOT just in West Creek. It appears to be human beings. What a dilemma! Should we ban the fabulous waterfront homes from flushing their elegant toilets whose septic systems are practically in the water? Or those lush green lawns, oh the amount of chemicals needed to make them gleam in the summer sun. How about those over 30 ft boats discharging in our pristine waters?Oh, that’s right, we cannot survive with out our taxes on those estates,and revenues from the boat sales.Animals, on the other hand, can’t protest their innocence, and certainly cannot pay fines for discharging their waste. Hmmm… Let’s start shooting geese and dogs in the hopes West Creek will survive….forget about nitrogen from other sources. Hmmmm….are trustees marine scientists?

  • For once, Benja’ s words are correct. Bravo! It is certainly MORE than dogs and geese polluting our waters, and NOT just in West Creek. It appears to be human beings. What a dilemma! Should we ban the fabulous waterfront homes from flushing their elegant toilets whose septic systems are practically in the water? Or those lush green lawns, oh the amount of chemicals needed to make them gleam in the summer sun. How about those over 30 ft boats discharging in our pristine waters?Oh, that’s right, we cannot survive with out our taxes on those estates,and revenues from the boat sales.Animals, on the other hand, can’t protest their innocence, and certainly cannot pay fines for discharging their waste. Hmmm… Let’s start shooting geese and dogs in the hopes West Creek will survive….forget about nitrogen from other sources. Hmmmm….are trustees marine scientists?

  • North Fork Animal Welfare League has operated the Southold Town animal shelter for 30 years. The Town now wants to get rid of the League and all of it’s dedicated staff members.

    Please come to the next Town Board meeting
    Tuesday Feb. 15th, at 7:30 in Southold Town Hall
    and show your support for the NFAWL staff and volunteers. Our animals need you!

    Southold Town Board put the contract for operating the animal shelter on Peconic Lane out to bid after discussing and deciding the issue in a closed door executive session. Noone except the Town Board members know what they discussed. The formal vote was made in an open meeting with zero discussion and no comment. Ending a 30 year relationship with no comment is wrong. Whether it was legal or not, it clearly was not government by the people.

    The RFP (Request For Proposals) reveals that the Town Board wants to control North Fork Animal Welfare League. Why does the Town Board want to control NFAWL? Obviously it is not because the Town cares about animals.

    Southold Town does not want to run the shelter, yet it demands to control the shelter operation. Such an inconsistent and egomaniacal position is hard for people to understand. Please don’t let Southold Town Board take over caring for the animals.

  • This is really helpful. Thanks

  • By the way, Gary M. Charters, (listed as ‘expanded good memory profile’) you were on the Board of Education during this time period…. why the inuenda, come out & say what’s on your mind straight up. !

  • Those three wonderful bosses from BOCES were Dwight Stecker, Beryle Cafferty and Barry Rosen. All three highly respected professionals in the human service/educatiional arena. They did not involve themselves with pee-brained small town petty power politico. They tried above and beyond to save me and the position, it meant alot. But the Board of Eduaction Board Member who sat on Greenport and BOCES BOE had all the power & got her comrades on her side with no peep from me. I was forbidden an opportunity to speak in front of, and directly to, either board. Funny thing is I was privy to her secrets! But I did not f her the way she f-ed me!

  • Now I’m on a roll… please tell me now, Gary M. Charters, publicly or privately…what was the insight that the Board had to abolish the position? No one from you or any other Board member or Charlie Kozora the Superintendent for that matter, spoke to me directly of the Board’s deciosion. I read about the end of my job in the Suffolk Times Newspaper!! Not real professional, is it?!! And why did you as Board of Education Member wait 7 years to the day to hire a new School Social Worker, former GHS graduate, Gillian Ruroede!

  • I find it interesting that the only people posting here are NFAWL volunteers, and Benja. My question, knowing very little about this whole thing, is that the town is asking for bids to run the animal shelter, correct? Now, correct me if I am wrong, and I am cure that you will, but what is wrong with that? Isn’t the town obligated by law to solicit bids on contracts? Would they not be remiss in their duties if they failed to solicit bids?
    Okay then, let’s look at this from another angle. What is the NFAWL’s opposition to submitting a bid? Are they afraid they will be too expensive, and lose? If they are interested in running the best shelter possible, at the best cost to the taxpayers, then what are they worrying for? Also, it seems as though they NFAWL is acting entitled to the operation of this shelter? Are they? Is there anything in law that requires or mandates the NFAWL’s operation of this shelter? Yes, I know they were involved in its creation, and thank you for that, but honestly, the shelter belongs to the taxpayers of Southold, not the NFAWL. And the taxpayers should decide who runs it, not the NFAWL. and the taxpayers, like it or not Benja, elected our town board to make these decisions. So in effect, what you are doing, is trying to wrest control of the shelter from the very people who own it in the first place.
    Don’t be so worried NFAWL. Submit a competitive bid, and you will win the bid, and continue to run the shelter. Get greedy, and you won’t.

  • I was born and raised on the North Fork and attended Mattituck High School. Now I am a public school teacher in the St. Louis City (Missouri) Public Schools. I will never see what a New York teacher makes and that is with a Masters degree. I make $38,000 a year and the work I have to do a New York teacher would never do. What I am faced with everyday would blow the minds of some of the teachers on the North Fork. I am faced at an elementary school I might add gangs, knifes, guns, violence, parents who don’t care, homeless children, a free or reduce lunch rate of 90%, an ethically diverse school (75% African American, 20% Caucasian, and 5% other). I spend a lot of money on my own classroom because there is not money to improve it. I spend money helping some of my students out because I know of their home life.

    Would I leave the St. Louis Public Schools… no. Yes I face challenges everyday but someone needs to do it and for my students they need someone to believe in them. It is not just a job. To be a city teacher means the pay is not there, you face the harsh realities of life but the reward is extremely big.

  • Actually according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics education level most certainly plays a role in compensation levels for individuals.

    Education and Annual Income
    Highest Education Level Achieved Annual Income (1999)
    Doctoral Degree $89,400
    Professional Degree $109,600
    Master’s Degree $62,300
    Bachelor’s Degree $52,200
    Associate Degree $$38,200
    Some College $36,800
    High School Graduate $30,400
    Not High School Graduate $23,400
    It has also been shown that this higher level of annual earnings translates into significant increases in overall lifetime earnings. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics data from 2001 show the following:
    Education and Lifetime Income

    Highest Education Level Achieved Lifetime Income
    (40 years)
    Bachelor’s Degree $1,667,700
    Associate Degree $1,269,850
    High School Graduate $994,080
    Not High School Graduate $630,000
    Higher levels of education payoff in lifetime income in a big way. It is interesting to note that this relationship between education and earnings potential has been known since the 1970’s, and has been consistently demonstrated by government surveys. In fact the difference in income level with education has grown significantly over the years. The Bureau of the Census has suggested that the gap in earnings between those with higher education and those with lower education will continue to grow in the future.
    The US Bureau of Labor Statistics has also shown that the unemployment rate steadily drops with higher levels of education. Unemployment for non-high school graduates was 6.5% in 2000, 3.5% for high school graduates, and 2.3% for those with an associate degree.
    Education makes a difference!

  • Actually according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics education level most certainly plays a role in compensation levels for individuals.

    Education and Annual Income
    Highest Education Level Achieved Annual Income (1999)
    Doctoral Degree $89,400
    Professional Degree $109,600
    Master’s Degree $62,300
    Bachelor’s Degree $52,200
    Associate Degree $$38,200
    Some College $36,800
    High School Graduate $30,400
    Not High School Graduate $23,400
    It has also been shown that this higher level of annual earnings translates into significant increases in overall lifetime earnings. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics data from 2001 show the following:
    Education and Lifetime Income

    Highest Education Level Achieved Lifetime Income
    (40 years)
    Bachelor’s Degree $1,667,700
    Associate Degree $1,269,850
    High School Graduate $994,080
    Not High School Graduate $630,000
    Higher levels of education payoff in lifetime income in a big way. It is interesting to note that this relationship between education and earnings potential has been known since the 1970’s, and has been consistently demonstrated by government surveys. In fact the difference in income level with education has grown significantly over the years. The Bureau of the Census has suggested that the gap in earnings between those with higher education and those with lower education will continue to grow in the future.
    The US Bureau of Labor Statistics has also shown that the unemployment rate steadily drops with higher levels of education. Unemployment for non-high school graduates was 6.5% in 2000, 3.5% for high school graduates, and 2.3% for those with an associate degree.
    Education makes a difference!

  • You would be astonished at how many of the teachers on the North Fork are facing the same problems you are in St. Louis

  • Worried Public Employee/Profile: Wallace….. Do you mean : As in making $38,000 a year?!! As in ethnic diversity in Mattutuck &/or Southold?!! As in guns, knives and reduced lunch?!!! On the North Fork?!! Please show me the statistics!

  • Worried Public Employee/Profile: Wallace What is your point? Is it to imply that Teachers are the only professionals out there deserving and justifying the abnormally high salary increases during every year of the most devastating financial crisis in our country’s history? Were Teachers able to duke the rest of the community by coming out of it with swelling bank accounts while everyone else hurt? There are alot of non-Teachers who have earned Master’s and Doctorate degrees.

  • Worried Public Employee/Profile: Wallace What is your point? Is it to imply that Teachers are the only professionals out there deserving and justifying the abnormally high salary increases during every year of the most devastating financial crisis in our country’s history? Were Teachers able to duke the rest of the community by coming out of it with swelling bank accounts while everyone else hurt? There are alot of non-Teachers who have earned Master’s and Doctorate degrees.

  • Ought I say, New York Teachers? Or rather Long Island Teachers? They are not overpaid in St. Louis, from the sounds of it.

  • WorriedPublicEmployee… Come and visit a St. Louis City School. You will be counting your blessing you have children or were educated on the North Fork. I know there are some problems in the North Fork Schools but I have wrestled a child to the ground that had a knife. I had a co-worker end up in the hospital because a 3rd grader beat her up. We have hit the floor because there were gun shots across the street from the school.
    As a Causasian I am a minority in my building making $38,000 a year after teaching 4 years. Wake up!!! You guys are spoiled and you know it. The rest of the country does not have it that good.

  • WorriedPublicEmployee… Come and visit a St. Louis City School. You will be counting your blessing you have children or were educated on the North Fork. I know there are some problems in the North Fork Schools but I have wrestled a child to the ground that had a knife. I had a co-worker end up in the hospital because a 3rd grader beat her up. We have hit the floor because there were gun shots across the street from the school.
    As a Causasian I am a minority in my building making $38,000 a year after teaching 4 years. Wake up!!! You guys are spoiled and you know it. The rest of the country does not have it that good.

  • While i agree with everthing above, taxpayers and elected officials should understand the
    risk and possible problems that may accompany change…. most important the risk of discontiuity of volunteers and private funding.

  • Southold Town Board is not >> just soliciting bids. The Town Board is demanding to control operation of the Animal Shelter. The Southold Town Animal Shelter has been operated by NFAWL, at first on a voluntary basis, then under contract for 30 years. Operation of the Animal Shelter by the not-for-profit NFAWL provides more services for less money than a basic municipally run shelter. The Town Board does not control operation of the Town Clerk’s Office, Highway Department, Police Department or any of the other Town Offices, Departments or Boards. You accuse NFAWL of being afraid, worried and acting entitled to run the Shelter. What I am afraid of and worried about, is why the Town Board is acting entitled to run NFAWL.

  • As for your conclusion that the taxpayers >> elected our town board to make these decisions. Taxpayers elected the Town Board to govern according to law. The law requires open meetings. The Town Board conducts almost all town business in worksessions and executive sessions. It is a rare ocasion when there is any substantive discussion at the regular Town Board meetings. The Town Board apparently considers public votes to be mere formalities. That is not the law, it is the practice developed for the convenience of the officials.

    For example, the decision not to renew the contract with NFAWL and instead to offer new terms which NFAWL would be crazy to accept (see the RFP) was made in executive session. The RFP process is supposed to be public and the opening of the bids will be public but the RFP was produced in meetings to which the public was not invited. Public records do not even show who is Chairman of the Town Board Committee on Animal Welfare (which in 2009 was renamed Animal Shelter Oversight Committee).

    NFAWL reduces the costs of operating the shelter by not having to comply with civil service requirements and by contributing funding. Why would taxpayers complain? Taxpayers’ interests are not being served by the decisions and actions of the Town Board.

    The Town Board is also >> knowing very little about this whole thing <<. The problem is that there are people pressuring the Town Board to control the Animal Shelter. Those people do not understand how the Shelter works. Those people are also not identifying their interests or themselves.

    Why didn’t you post your name?

  • “The law requires open meetings. The Town Board conducts almost all town business in worksessions and executive sessions.”
    — Worksessions ARE open meetings, and executive sessions are legal. You don’t have a real job, so come down and watch the worksessions too. Oh yes, that’s right, no TV cameras to film you.

    “NFAWL reduces the costs of operating the shelter by not having to comply with civil service requirements and by contributing funding. Why would taxpayers complain?”
    — Because there may be another group out there who could do it even cheaper than NFAWL, that’s why.

    “The Southold Town Animal Shelter has been operated by NFAWL”
    — Yes, but it is OWNED and PAID FOR by the town of Southold, and NOT the NFAWL. You, and they, should remember that.

    “The Town Board does not control operation of the Town Clerk’s Office, Highway Department, Police Department or any of the other Town Offices, Departments or Boards.”
    — Yes, because they are government agencies. The NFAWL is NOT a government agency, it is simply an outside contractor, nothing more, nothing less. And it is the obligation of the town board to control the work of any outside contractor it hires. Can you honestly debate that point?

    “You accuse NFAWL of being afraid, worried and acting entitled to run the Shelter.”
    — Afraid, no. Worried, yes. Acting entitled to run the shelter, absolutely correct. And your continued responses only serve to reinforce my position. They think they deserve to run it, that it is their birthright. It is not, period. And they would do well to, at the very least, acknowledge that.

    PS- if they don’t like the bid terms, don’t bid on it.

  • Guest who is nameless. Ha Ha!
    According to you government has no obligation to manage itself but is supposed to >> it is the obligation of the town board to control the work of any outside contractor it hires. Can you honestly debate that point?

    With more respect than you deserve consider what you are saying.

    When you hire a company do you tell the company how to do the work?

    The Town Board should be giving NFAWL a medal for 30 years of service,
    not trying to tell NFAWL how to do its job.

  • “Josh Horton is out of touch and thinks reality revolves around himself.”
    — Yes, I do. Any responsible person who hires a company has a scope of work assigned to them, and follows up to ensure that it is completed as ordered. A fool would hire a company and not tell them how to do the work.

    “The Town Board should be giving NFAWL a medal for 30 years of service,
    not trying to tell NFAWL how to do its job.”
    — Aha! See, there you go. Your entitlement attitude speaks volumes Benja. Maybe the town can do both. They can give the NFAWL a medal for their past service, and still tell them how to do the job. Because to me, it seems you are positing that the town should just pay the NFAWL what they want, and let them run the town owned shelter how they want, and keep quiet. Is that it Benja? Town, just give the NFAWL the money they want, shut up, don’t ask questions, and stay out of their business. Ridiculous. You’ve become more incoherent than usual with this one.

  • That first line should have been:
    “When you hire a company do you tell the company how to do the work?”

  • A fire broke out on Quail Run in Hampton Bays at 12:30 am this morning. Four firefighters were injured, one badly burned when a second level floor gave way.

    I heard this news at 5:30am on NBC and News12 doesn’t get it out until 8:12am. Why? Isn’t News12 supposed to be our number one source for news, traffic and weather?

    This is why I dont like NEWS12- they are sooo slow (like Optimum Online) and they repeat the same 5 stories all day long..

  • >> Guest
    Who are you?
    You started your comment thread by admitting that you know very little about this issue yet you insist on coming to conclusions based on your ignorance.
    NFAWL already pays approximately half the cost of running the shelter.
    Now the Town Board wants that money to go into a deposit.
    I guess it is for security that the animals will not be well cared for.

    I am sorry about the sarcasm but the Town Board (and You) are taking irresponsible, immoral, and figuratively illegal positions on this issue.

    It is foolish to hire a company that does not know how to do the work.
    Sadly it appears that the voters were fooled when they elected the current Town Board.

  • >> Guest
    Who are you?
    You started your comment thread by admitting that you know very little about this issue yet you insist on coming to conclusions based on your ignorance.
    NFAWL already pays approximately half the cost of running the shelter.
    Now the Town Board wants that money to go into a deposit.
    I guess it is for security that the animals will not be well cared for.

    I am sorry about the sarcasm but the Town Board (and You) are taking irresponsible, immoral, and figuratively illegal positions on this issue.

    It is foolish to hire a company that does not know how to do the work.
    Sadly it appears that the voters were fooled when they elected the current Town Board.

  • The unidentified “Guest” above had to return to his job, dispensing favors in the Town Hall men’s room. Government contractors are hired to do jobs, not hired so bureaucrats like “Guest” can tell them how to do it. Wow, maybe “Guest” could tell Boeing how to build jets for the military, and hire all the engineers. It is time that the people of Southold demand open government and not allow your good neighbors to be put out on the street so that patronage jobs can be given out to cronies. By the way “Guest”, or JD, or whoever you are, HECKUVA JOB, BROWN-NOSE!!!

  • CAN YOU SAY “SPELLCHECK” ?

  • Just wondering why you havent posted YOUR annual salary for all to see???? These folks have their higher education in place, and if they apply for and get these jobs…….why not? If you have the credentials, you can apply for one of these positions.
    Why you are so irate/ envious of others doing well? Sounds like sour grapes to me!
    Also, in reading some of these rants, in need of some anger management classes!

  • is that all you get from that!?! 🙂

  • honey , you’re missing the boat! And if you are so filled with vendeta, please show your identity for the world to see! Analysis of your statements leads me to believe you are from Greenport and connected to the school yourself. But alas, no courage to show your identity. Your credibility is lessen by the perspective of the general public! I am not a public servant! People pay me fee for service. Are you forced to pay my salary?! No! If you did , you would bitch about that for sure. apples and oranges, boundaries and separations!

  • Teachers do not get big jumps like in the “real world.” I have friends with the same degree as me making $130,000 already and they are only 29. I will not make that salary until I am about 50. Yes we do have job security but with all the cuts we do not have that anymore. Our profession is getting worse. A starting teacher is making about $40,000 and in other “real world” jobs they make much more. We work hard for more than 180 days and sometimes we need to get other jobs to make ends meet. We love what we do and would not want it any other way, but to always be ripped on by everyone is not right. We are educating the youth to make our community and our country a better place. We are trying to lead them into the right decisions and be successful in life. If you think about that we should make much more than we do.

  • There are over 3,000 teachers in Long Island losing their jobs this year. Really, we can get cut, we took salary freezes and the pension we pay for.

  • And ya know..if all the overpaid gluttent teachers making $110,000 to $145,ooo and above in LI districts returned to ‘normal salaries’ as the rest of the LI population majority, making in between $45,000 and $60,000; No teacher woud have to get laid off! But that will never happen because of the greed and justification of the out of control salary of teachers. Protecting personal turf selfishly, no teacher will give back! And before you say…”that ani’t so”….go to
    http://www.seethroughny.com where three small school districts in Southold Town servicing 3,500 students there are over 111 teachers with base salary (not counting the add-ons) 110,000-140,000! Suffolk County is the worst, followed and often equal to Nassau County. Yes, is is expensive to live on Long Island, but why is it that no teacher is smart enough, with all their degrees plus 60 credits, to connect the dots. Their salaries are a major determinent for the high cost of living. Property taxes …2/3rds goes to the education bill …..and it’s not to cover the light bill! Will you save your own, or cast the lay-offs aside in order to maintain personal status?!!!!

  • That website you gave me includes add ons. These teachers are working for over 30 years. You are telling me that someone working in other fields for over 30 years they are not making around $110,000. I belive they are if not more and probably got there a lot faster than teachers do. They will make more money in their career than a teacher does. We get high salaries after many years of service. Other jobs get the big jump early and stay higher until then end or stay higher the entire time.

  • You really need to take a trip to the real world. You want to believe what you present but Rob, you are wrong! Haven’t you been paying attention?! And besides most of those teachers in the high income bracket have been working 20 years or less. Please do the research and get the facts straight.. Your ‘beliefs’ are not what the facts are!

  • And once again the facts presented are not addressed, but more layers of deflection to bring about another avoidance to the issue brought up. This happens alot by the teachers on this write-space! Answer please: Would every teacher give back enough to make what the average community salary is, in order to save ‘their own’ (profession)from any and all layoffs? My wager would be: ” not a one”!!