Southold Town considers getting rid of ‘yellow bags’

02/24/2011 11:39 PM |

TIM KELLY PHOTO | Cardboard is among the materials Southold residents can drop off without cost for recycling at the town transfer station in Cutchogue.

If you use a private garbage carter for your rubbish, you may not have to buy yellow garbage bags much longer. But that doesn’t resolve a larger issue over whether Go Green, a relatively new carter in the area that has been collecting mixed waste at the curbside, can continue to operate legally Southold.

The town has accused Go Green of violating rules that forbid waste from being left at the curb unless recyclables have been separated from it.

Supervisor Scott Russell told Town Board members at Tuesday morning’s work session that he had no objection to waiving the yellow bag requirement for those who pay private carters to pick up their garbage.

But at an informational meeting the supervisor held on the garbage issue at Town Hall last Thursday night, the issue wasn’t the use of yellow bags but whether the town could stop Go Green from picking up refuse curbside when the company doesn’t require its customers to separate garbage from recyclables. It’s not just the code but state law that requires curbside separation, Mr. Russell said, and Department of Environmental Conservation officials have made it clear they would enforce that law.

Two DEC officials attended Thursday night’s meeting — regional solid materials engineer Syed Rahman and department spokesman Bill Fonda — to back up the supervisor.

Since Go Green came to Southold within the past few months, DEC officials have told the town that unless the requirement for curbside separation of garbage and recyclables is enforced, the town risks losing its permit to operate its transfer station. And that’s the case even though Go Green carts the garbage it collects to a Yaphank facility operated by Winter Brothers, according to Go Green’s operator Frank Fisher. Mr. Rahman also warned that Winter Brothers could face legal action if inspectors catch Go Green trucks unloading unseparated loads at its facilities.

Mr. Fisher insisted that Winter Brothers separates the refuse he takes there, but Mr. Russell said that on a visit he and Mr. Ruland had made there they were told little effort is put into separating recyclables.

The town won’t fine residents who fail to separate their refuse, but could fine a carter like Go Green, issuing as many citations as it has customers in the town, Mr. Russell said.

The two-hour Town Board informational session Thursday night and a subsequent discussion Tuesday morning provided no resolution to the conflict between town officials and Mr. Fisher.

“I can’t change human behavior, but I also can’t change state law,” Supervisor Russell told Mr. Fisher Thursday night. He acknowledged that other carters’ customers don’t always fully separate all of their recyclables, but said it’s up to town officials to enforce state law while maintaining a level playing field for all carters.

Because Go Green has advertised that no curbside separation is necessary for its pickups, Southold is very much on the state Department of Environmental Conservation’s radar, the supervisor said.

“I’m going to continue to do business,” Mr. Fisher said Thursday night. At the same time, he insisted, “I’m not looking to break any of your laws. DEC guys are great and whatever they want me to do, that’s no problem.”

The problem for the town, Mr. Russell said, is the threat that the DEC will lift the town’s permit to run its transfer station because of Go Green’s practices. Without that facility, the town would have to find other places to take its brush, leaves, tires and other matter, Mr. Russell said.

Jon Divello of Mattituck Sanitation said that Go Green tilts the playing field against carters who follow the rules.

“You come here like a cowboy,” he said to Mr. Fisher, insisting that he should have to do the same two pickups — one for garbage and the other for recyclables — that all the other carters are required to do.

At Tuesday’s Town Board work session, Mr. Russell discussed other aspects of the garbage issue. Carters who do not require customers to use yellow bags for non-recyclable garbage, he said, would have to take their loads over the scales and pay a fee to dump it at the Cutchogue-based transfer station. Private carters are being hurt by the requirement that their clients also have to put their garbage in yellow bags, Mr. Russell acknowledged.

But yellow bags produce revenue and are important to the town’s budget, he added. He estimated that one-third of the cost of operating the transfer station is funded by the sale of yellow bags, and that the cost of the bags is a good incentive for people to reduce waste by recycling.

Private carters have the option not to take the garbage they collect to the Cutchogue transfer station at all, he noted, but to dump it at other facilities up-island. Requiring yellow bags for them at pickup doesn’t make sense, the supervisor said.

Mr. Russell said he doesn’t mind if the carters take the garbage out of town, because the less garbage the town takes in, the less it costs the town to run the transfer station.

“Any carter should have that flexibility today in the 21st century,” said Town Board member Bill Ruland.

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  • I should clarify that the Town will consider allowing carters to not require customers to use yellow bags if the refuse is not brought to our facility. The current code does not allow for such flexibility. The yellow bags themselves, for the time being, will not be eliminated. Scott Russell

  • Can we lease the operation of the transfer station to a private organization, fire all the overpaid town workers, and then just have the private organization run the place? After reading the animal shelter article, I think that we should put the operation of the garbage station out to bid. Let them deal with the recycling, plastic bags, and paying pensions for entitlement minded town employees. And then my taxes in new suffolk will go down even further. I work for the government and I know that like it or not private will always be more efficient then government.

  • It would be nice to save around $110.00 per year if the Yellow Bags were eliminated. After all, I am paying for the Transfer Site operational costs in my property taxes. I don’t see why the Southold Residents cannot keep separating their garbage without the use of the Yellow Bags.

    We can buy our own bags for garbage and separate and recycle as usual.

  • Alternative solution: Southold Town can follow the lead of most other municipalities and provide trash service paid for by property taxes. The Town can then write the RFQ (in full compliance to DEC regs, and additional specific Town requirements), go out on competitive quote (Go-Green would obviously be free to submit a quote) and award a yearly (maybe 2 years, renewable if performance is satisfactory) contract for all trash collection in the town. The winning bidder would be monitored by the Town for compliance with its contract, assuring adherance to DEC rules. Maintain the landfill for organic waste and composting only; close the rest of it. And Why Not ??

  • My taxes are high enough, I would rather take my own garbage to the Transfer Station Facility every week rather than paying higher taxes. My 2010 Transfer Station Taxes were $500.00 on my Property Tax Statement. Could you imagine the cost if the Town were to get involved with picking up trash from the residents? Forget your Contract idea.

  • Then change your code. The town can’t operate the transfer station economically. Allow private carters to expand and take over refuse. One carter already operates a center that puts the towns to shame. Our town tax rate is low because we mask it by collecting fees for everything under the sun.

  • Just do the same thing that Riverhead does ,,,”Just contract and pick up everyones garbage and recyclables “”It is the towns responsibility to provide garbage pick up ..for our residents ..I think the Southold system stinks ,,,Peopple say “”I dont have much garbage so why should I pay ?” Well , we dont have kids in school and we pay school tax..No other town on LI operates like this ,, Southold should provide essential services , and raise taxes to pay for it ,,

  • I find it very interesting that the DEC would scrutinize Southold so closely -when the rest of western Suffolk does not even seem to encourage recycling of any type in public & municipal places… Most shocking was a SC sponsored planning/zoning board seminar last fall at Brookhaven National Lab bottled water & refreshments were served but there was no receptacle for recycling….many of us from the North Fork placed our empties on a table near the refuse- in hopes that they got the point… If waste disposal & “recycling” areas elsewhere in Western Suffolk have different rules….WHY? the more the public is aware of public recycling the better for all. If you actually recycle the amount put in yellow bags is so greatly reduced you need less of them…Our Local carters recycling & pick up services are extremely affordable & user friendly.

  • there does seem to be different rules for residential & commercial pick -up however. I don’t see restaurants, etc. recycling their waste- they seem to anything & everything in their dumpsters…how is this waste disposed of and if it can be treated differently, why?

  • Spoken like a true tax and spend liberal.

  • Good Point!

    Supervisor Russell: What are the Town Laws pertaining to businesses and their business generated waste?

    There cannot be two differents sets of rules.

  • I think it would be a great idea to replace our garbage cans around town, beaches, etc. with cans that have divided compartments for each kind of waste. many muncipalities across the country have this, airports, etc. this way everyone is reminded about recycling. why do you have to separate your waste at home but not when you throw something out at the beach? then, the town can use the revenue generated from the recyclables that are already sorted to offset the cost of these new cans.

  • 1 – We do not need town pickup service and higher taxes, 2 – If state law mandates people to separate recyclables for pickup, then the town should first apply this to the commercial waste being picked up before Go Green is slapped with this restriction; either apply this “law” uniformly, or forget about it. If this “pickup separation” is not a state law, then there is no issue here, 3 – Yellow bags are a good idea as it makes people aware of the cost of disposing of waste.

  • I am having some difficulty connecting your apparent (maybe incorrect) assessment of my political orientation with the practical problem of removing and processing trash in Southold. I am sure most other readers had the same difficulty too. Try and stick to the issue next time.

  • I am having some difficulty connecting your apparent (maybe incorrect) assessment of my political orientation with the practical problem of removing and processing trash in Southold. I am sure most other readers had the same difficulty too. Try and stick to the issue next time.

  • What does the town code say about the town recycling its own waste…. beach trash is mixed. This town is butt backwards.

  • If Mr. Russell is correct, then when I, as a resident of Southold, place my non-recyclable waste to be carted to a facility other than the Southold Transfer Station, I must pay first for and use Southold yellow bags. Why should I, by the buying of Southold yellow bags, be forced to pay for the use of a facility I am not using? In other words, I am not receiving fair consideration. I do not see the rationale or the legality of this.

  • If Mr. Russell is correct, then when I, as a resident of Southold, place my non-recyclable waste to be carted to a facility other than the Southold Transfer Station, I must pay first for and use Southold yellow bags. Why should I, by the buying of Southold yellow bags, be forced to pay for the use of a facility I am not using? In other words, I am not receiving fair consideration. I do not see the rationale or the legality of this.

  • There actually are two sets of rules. The State has not forced the issue of recycling for commercial accounts. The law, which is State not Town, requires recycling of residential waste. Scott

  • You are right. The Town had ordered containers for each of beaches and parks then, because of budget constraints, did not proceed. Since then, the DPW is making these “in house” I we will have them out by the start of the season. Scott

  • As I stated last night, the town has no issue with carters who do not want to use yellow bags. We will take that issue up at our next meeting. If the garbage goes to a facility outside of Southold, then you should be able to put it in any bag you choose. I made that point several times at the meeting you attended last night. Scott

  • The issue is garbage, and the town’s policy towards its removal.
    Your comment advocated SPENDing money on a municipally run yet contracted service paid for by an increase in TAXes.

    Hence, a TAX and SPEND liberal.

    I think she was exactly on topic, and right on the money.
    Try not to be so soft skinned next time.

  • stop here a minute, yellow bags on the street or clean green trash cans on the curbside, there is only one word to say go green. yellow bags are a pain in the …..
    Yellow bags are so out go green, Why I have to cater to a company I don’t like , no I don’t do anymore, Go green found a market and I love there concept. Southold you been sleeping so long and no somebody else got your market, you should done this before but always you guys life in the past and remain so far behind that’s a same. OMG you should support this concept and not cry.
    By the way I eat what I want and I buy what I want, I take my Trash where I want and I’m sure it’s in good hands.

    Frank

  • I think Scott Russell will get rid of the Yellow Town Bag requirement. He as well as everyone else knows that this Policy is absurd. We will eventually be able to just take our waste to the dump in ordinary “Hefty” bags. The Town doesn’t need to get into the carting business and raise TAXES. As residents of Southold we will just need to abide by the RULES of separately our garbage for recyclable items according to NYS Laws. Yes, I believe that the Yellow Bag requirement is a legality issue as well. No where else on Long Island is this required and it is a revenue generating business for the Town.

  • Supervisor Russell: If there are two different sets of rules, then here is an opportunity for the Town to enforce there own rules with Commercial Waste Requirements just as the Town enforces on it’s tax paying residents. How can it be illegal for residents not to abide by the rules and not businesses. It does not make any sense? I am pro-business, but why should a resident have to abide by different rules? After all, it is all waste wether if the waste is generated form a resident or business.

  • Scott will do the right things as far as the infamous “Yellow Bags”. We as a Town just need to abide by NYS Law as to separate our recyclables wether we take our trash to the Town Dump. If a resident wants to HIRE a private Carting business, that’s great also, as long as the Carting Company does not dispose of the waste at the Southold Transfer Station unsorted. As long as the Transfer Station in Southold abide by the rules, there shouldn’t be any legal issues with NYS. Once the “Yellow Bags” are gone, we as residents just need to keep separating our recycleables. It is not a big deal.

  • You pay either way. I lived in Huntington, where I had to hire a trash removal company. Same out here when I moved to Riverhead. Then Riverhead provided trash service and the tax amount was the same i was paying for private removal.

  • No, you’re wrong. What do you think you’re doing when you buy the bags? What difference does it make?

  • The Bags will be gone soon. Scott Russell knows that this policy is absurd.

  • I know you will eliminate them. You know that “Yellow Bags” do not make sense.

  • I know you will eliminate them. You know that “Yellow Bags” do not make sense.

  • Are you saying that the TOWN code discerns between commercial and residential waste? Show us where…

  • If its not such a big deal, why does Mr. Russell have it out for Go Green?

  • Why then are you trying to prosecute Go Green?

  • Everywhere I’ve lived around the country, it seemed that residential re-cycling was a much easier process for residents than it is here. My most recent experience in a small, low-budget town in Oregon made recycling a pleasure. Either the carter or the town provided every residence with rectangular blue plastic bins for recycling. Newspaper, cans, glass and cardboard went in the blue bin. The rest in the big green plastic mini-dumpsterlike bear-proof trash can… (which was also provided by the carter or town.)
    When I moved back here, I found that the separating process was so complicated and space intensive in the house, that it was time consuming and costly. And very de-motivating.

  • The agenda for the next Town Board Meeting is online!

    In Southold Town Hall on Tuesday 3/1/2011
    Topics to be discussed at the 9:00 AM worksession include:

    * MS4/SWMPP (Municipal Separate Storm Sewer Systems/Stormwater Management Program Permit)
    * Review of AgPDD (Agricultural Planned Development District)
    * Carting License, Current Town Code + Carter LL (Local Law)
    * Noise Meter
    * New Website

    Work session meetings are open to the public.
    Public comments are usually not permitted until after the regular evening session.

  • Visit these websites to see for yourself
    Where Go Green goes with the mixed waste and recyclables

    http://gogreensanitationservice.com/
    >>>
    http://www.wintersbros.com/residential.php
    >>>
    http://www.wintersbros.com/facilities2.php

    Municipal operation should be less costly since the government is not taking profits.
    But, a few companies appear to be providing quality services at competitive prices

    see

    http://www.wasteoptions.com/nantucket.htm

    http://www.nantucketrecycles.com/

    http://www.mwatoday.com/

  • It’s very nice that you are willing to put a nasty diaper stinking, garbage juice leaking bag into your family vehicle. I, on the other hand, am not willing to do so.
    Has anyone at least done a practical comparison as to how much taxes were to go up if we incorporated waste removal into the property taxes. Before we start calling each other rude names, at least get the facts. Anyone can make the case against tax increases if they do not use the government services offered. Just how many people utilize their local library, or get the annual allotment of mulch from the collection center? I would venture to say not every single resident, yet we pay for those services through taxation. I agree that getting rid of the useless yellow bags is a good starting point. What is the difference if you are charged a fee when you physically dump at the transfer center or when a carter picks it up for you?
    As to the issue of separating recycles from the garbage, the DEC should be looking at the final destination sorting facility to ensure that recyclables are being sorted. Will the Southold Town Police arrest me for accidentally putting a plastic bottle in the garbage? I sincerely hope that they have other pressing issues to worry about than my recycling habits.I would venture to argue that more recyclables would be reclaimed at the sorting facility than actually comes in pre-sorted by the general public.
    Anyone wiling to have a civil debate is welcome. All others can pound sand.

  • I provided copies of the Town and State code at the meeting. I also have copies available at the office for anyone who wants them. Further. I” have it in” for no one. The carter you referenced is simply not recycling your waste like he states in his adds. I visited the site and it is simply hauled out for landfilling out of state. He should not gain a competitive advantage over others because he is willing to violate State and Town code. The Board is also not willing to lose the permit to run the transfer station because one business does not want to follow state law. There are two aspects of the town code that he violates. The first is that he does not use yellow bags- that is fine with us and we will cange the code so that he (or any other carter) does not have to if they don’t bring the garbage to us. Second is that he encourages customers to NOT recycle. That is something we need to require as part of state law. He needs to pick up the recycled material sepatate from the houshold waste. The other carters comply and he needs to as well. Yes, there are people who do not recycle and, like any code, it is hard to enforce but, blatent violations and a business model based on encouraging violating the code is the isse that the Board finds troublesome. This is especially true if it puts our operation at risk but having the DEC fine us or close the transfer station. We can meet the guy half way but, he has to work with us too. We will change what we can to ensure he, and all carters have the same opportunities. That being said, they all have to follow the same rules and the board wants to make sure that the playing field is level for all in the business. Scott

  • Would it be possible for you to put a copy of the previously mentioned codes online? Unfortunately, I cannot always make a town hall meeting. Has this town board, or any previous boards, studied the financial cost (either to the town, the average taxpayer, or both) associated with separating the town into roughly equal sized districts and issuing contracts for local carters to pick up household garbage and separated recycles and continue to use the Cutchogue facility as a transfer station? Just a suggestion.

  • Please keep the yellow bags. They are not a burden if they encourage reduction of the waste stream and provide individual accountability for recycling. A general pick up would mean less of a reason to be more careful with each households trash.

  • How do they provide for reduction of the waste stream? Seems to me like we are adding one more plastic bag to the waste stream with the inclusion of the incredibly flimsy yellow bag that can’t hold a wet tissue without ripping. It relies solely on the consciousness of the user to ensure that absolutely no recycled material is placed in the yellow bags. I would venture to say that very few residents of the town actually recycle absolutely everything that they can. Most people make an honest attempt at recycling, but if we really looked into our garbage cans, I’m sure that we would be surprised at how much we unintentionally don’t recycle.
    I think that household pickup would encourage more recycling. The easier it is to use, the more people will participate. As we are all painfully aware, the economy has forced us to cut costs as much as possible in government and our own homes. Many working families are taking second and third jobs just to put food on the table. Many simply do not have the time, energy, or desire to haul their garbage to the transfer station in Cutchogue.
    I think that there has to be a way to satisfy the Town’s requirements for recycling and the desire of many residents for residential pick up.
    And please don’t use the argument that it will ruin the scenic vistas of the town, the charming atmosphere of our quaint hamlets, or endanger the spotted piping fox. These arguments have kept this town from evolving into the 20th century, never mind the 21st.

  • If the case involves some facility up the island, why isn’t the state handling that. Are OUR COPS going to ticket an up Island facility on behalf of the DEC? Also, you say he is “encouraging” people to not recycle. Is THAT a crime? Isn’t it the residents that are breaking town law? Are the cops going to come and arrest me because I have a Go Green can? This still sounds fishy. Just to get this straight. I don’t recycle in my Go Green can… Go Green picks it up and brings it out of town, bypassing the town transfer station… so, for that, the DEC is going to shut down the town’s transfer station or fine the town? This sounds like milarky to me. An excuse, really, to keep the yellow bag monopoly. And I pose the question again… WHY is the town interested in wasting Police power on this issue when clearly it seems to be a DEC issue????

  • OH and you still have not answered the question. Why is it okay that every business (as well as a lot of residences) can have a big old dumpster — NOT RECYCLE — and North Fork Sanitation or Mattituck Sanitation can pick it up without getting in trouble? Where does that waste go? Likely to our dump… do your employees recycle THAT waste? See… I’m just trying to understand why one business is NOT allowed to operate in Southold while others are… Hmm…

  • go to – http://www.townofnaples.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={0B4215AC-49BE-4F9E-9CC1-990F76D604E2}
    and see how three towns handle their garbage with a single compactor and multi-self-service recycling bins, all in an outside facility with a staff of three, open 4 days a week. The actual compactor and and self-service area is so-compact, you could put one in Greenport, Southold, and Mattituck.

  • Videos of SSR (Single Stream Recycling)
    These plants are first generation MRFs
    (Materials Recovery Facilities)
    A second generation MRF is Riverhead might serve the entire East End
    Peconic County WMD
    (Waste Management District not Weapons of Mass Destruction)

    Alameda CA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_RWqgXcP_k

    Albany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-FNgDXQGwE

  • “Bear Proof” ?!?!?!!

    Jeez Louise! And I thought chasing away the raccoons was tough!

  • Because businesses have lobbyists, and send money to the politicians, who laid off and did not require a law for them to recycle.

    Individual taxpayers don’t have a lobbyist, so it is much easier to just screw us and make us pay more. Plus, we end up subsidizing the businesses in town.

    Make the businesses recycle Mr. Russell, and then come talk to me. Otherwise, this is all BS.

  • Yes, Mr. Russell, please put the Town and State codes on-line so we can all read them easily and make our own decisions on this issue. I have yet to hear from a QUALIFIED source that Go-Green is clearly violating any laws (not always the same as “codes”, as you know). Quite frankly, if he was in fact violating any laws, why has not either the Town, the State, or the DEC issued any summonses of any kind to date ?? Is seems to me this is strictly a Town interpretation of the “codes” designed to keep the “yellow bag” revenue and the friendship of the local businesses. If the Town or the State or the DEC has a case, let them definitively act to prove it or go away and let the free market have its run….Your allegation that the carter is “…simply not recycling your waste..” seems more of an opinion than fact – do you have any evidence that the waste is not ultimately re-cycled before disposal in a land-fill ??

  • Yes, Mr. Russell, please put the Town and State codes on-line so we can all read them easily and make our own decisions on this issue. I have yet to hear from a QUALIFIED source that Go-Green is clearly violating any laws (not always the same as “codes”, as you know). Quite frankly, if he was in fact violating any laws, why has not either the Town, the State, or the DEC issued any summonses of any kind to date ?? Is seems to me this is strictly a Town interpretation of the “codes” designed to keep the “yellow bag” revenue and the friendship of the local businesses. If the Town or the State or the DEC has a case, let them definitively act to prove it or go away and let the free market have its run….Your allegation that the carter is “…simply not recycling your waste..” seems more of an opinion than fact – do you have any evidence that the waste is not ultimately re-cycled before disposal in a land-fill ??

  • Experience can be a good teacher.
    In Huntington, roughly in the ’80’s, Huntington took over control of refuse collection because of “corruption.” Net result: the Town set up a bid system, the carter we had continued, and in about one to two years our rates doubled.
    Thanks for that!

  • It is actually an interpretation of the DEC and the Town. The DEC representatives were at the meeting the other night to explain the State Law. Further, I (and other town officials) actually visited the site that GoGreen takes it’s refuse to. They don’t recycle it. I can arrange another visit if you would like to come with me. It is in Yapank. My office number is 756-1889. The Town has already issued a violation. The DEC would issue a violation to the facility, not the carter. I do not know if they have yet. Further, I have said several times on this thread and at the meeting, I have no issue with a carter not using yellow bags and will change the code to so it will not be a requirement for any carter to make their customers buy them. If the garbage is not coming to the Town facility then I believe you should be able to put it in any bag you like. The issue for the Town has nothing to do with yellow bags but the recycling requirements of the State and Town. you can believe that someone is out there somewhere sorting your garbage for you if it makes you feel better but, it is simply not true. I look foward to a phone call. Scott

  • I actually agree with your comment on this and already told the people at the meeting that we should enforce the recycling laws at residential properties that have dumpsters. The board is taking that issue up on Tuesday. The State does not require recycling at commercial properties. I agree that fact is not fair but, until the State changes the law (they say maybe by 2012) then, the current law is what it is. The dumpsters at houses, however, should be treated the same as gogreen and we will tackle that issue tuesday. Scott

  • So our $100,000 a year cops are going to be charged with dumpster diving now?

  • So the town has issued a violation to Go Green, but NOT to the local carters that collect from residential dumpsters (and have been for years). If that is not bias I don’t know what is.

  • So the town has issued a violation to Go Green, but NOT to the local carters that collect from residential dumpsters (and have been for years). If that is not bias I don’t know what is.

  • We can’t have two standards..it’s unconstitutional. I am not paying my taxes in June until this is resolved.

  • The cops are working hard arresting those DWI and Expired Inpection’s on vehicles. There $120,000 salaries are too busy for dumpster’s.

  • No one wants higher taxes..either get rid of the Transfer Station and let the free market work and let the carters take away the garbage to Brookhaven or where ever. The Yellow Bag issue is a done deal – no more. I am not paying the Town to pick up my trash and see my Taxes increase. We can turn the Transfer station into a park.

  • Mr Russell: thanks for the response but I (and many others, as you can see by reading below) still have several unanswered questions:
    1) Will you put the Town and State codes (laws ?) on-line so we may easily access that information ? Can’t be too hard – just scan the handouts from the meeting.
    2) You noted that the Town has already issued a violation to Go-Green; is that a matter of public record and can it be published ?
    3) Why does the Town continue to operate the transfer station at all ? There can’t be that many old tires around that can’t be disposed of by the private carters. After all, ALL of our trash eventually leaves town, why not cut out the middle-man ? The facility seems to be more rooted in tradition that actual need. We at least need to study this option in the near future.
    4) I still don’t have the whole picture yet…If trash EVENTUALLY gets sorted (somewhere), maybe in PA ?) before it gets to a landfill, is that in compliance with the DEC and/or state Codes ? This may well wind up in the State courts before it’s over….
    Thanks again for your responses on this timely issue.

  • No person shall deposit or cause to be deposited in or on any transfer station maintained by a waste district in the Town of Southold any waste of any kind except under the direction of the attendant in charge, whether such direction is given personally or by another person by his authority or by a sign or signs erected at the transfer station by the authority of the Town Board or attendant.
    (1)

    Residential self-haulers and commercial self-haulers.
    (a)

    No cans, corrugated cardboard, glass, plastic or newspaper as defined herein shall be deposited at any Town of Southold Transfer Station unless separated from any and all solid waste, trash, rubbish and vegetative yard waste. They are to be deposited only at designated areas within such Town disposal area.
    (b)

    Nonrecyclable waste.
    [1]

    Residential self-haulers. Nonrecyclable waste generated by residential self-haulers shall be disposed of only in a Town garbage bag as defined herein and deposited only at designated areas within the transfer station.
    [2]

    Commercial self-haulers. Nonrecyclable waste generated by commercial self-haulers may be either:
    [a]

    Disposed of in a Town garbage bag and deposited at designated areas within the transfer station; or
    [b]

    Disposed of at the designated areas within the transfer station upon paying the appropriate charge as set by Town Board resolution for the weight of nonrecyclable waste deposited.
    (2)

    Private residential refuse haulers/carters.
    (a)

    The owners or occupants of all residences within the Town which utilize collection services provided by persons licensed to collect refuse pursuant to the provisions of this article shall place recyclables in separate containers at curbside for collection on such day or days as the licensee serving such residence shall designate.
    (b)

    It shall be unlawful for any person to place out for collection any container in which refuse is mixed with recyclables.
    (c)

    It shall be unlawful for any person to collect refuse from a residence which is mixed with recyclables or thereafter to commingle different types of recyclables or to mix recyclables with refuse.
    (d)

    Recyclables collected by private residential refuse haulers/carters and transported to the transfer station shall be deposited in areas designated by appropriate landfill personnel.
    (e)

    Nonrecyclable waste.
    [1]

    The owners or occupants of all residences within the Town which utilize collection services provided by persons licensed to collect refuse pursuant to the provisions of this article shall place nonrecyclable waste in Town garbage bags for collection on such day or days as the licensee serving such residents shall designate.
    [2]

    It shall be unlawful for any person to place out for collection any nonrecyclable waste which is not in a Town garbage bag. It shall be unlawful for any person to collect nonrecyclable waste from a residence which is not in a Town garbage bag.
    [3]

    Nonrecyclable waste in Town garbage bags collected by private residential refuse haulers/carters and transported to the transfer station shall be deposited only in areas designated by appropriate landfill personnel.
    (3)

    Private commercial refuse haulers/carters.
    (a)

    The owners or occupants of all commercial establishments within the Town which utilize collection services provided by persons licensed to collect refuse pursuant to the provisions of this article shall place recyclables in separate containers at curbside for collection on such day or days as the licensee serving such business shall designate.
    (b)

    It shall be unlawful for any commercial establishment to place out for collection any container in which refuse is mixed with recyclables.
    (c)

    It shall be unlawful for any commercial establishment to place out for collection any container in which one type of recyclable is mixed with any other type or types of recyclables.
    (d)

    It shall be unlawful for any private commercial refuse hauler/carter to collect refuse from any commercial establishment which is mixed with recyclables or thereafter to commingle different types of recyclables or to mix recyclables with refuse.
    (e)

    Recyclables collected by private commercial refuse haulers/carters and transported to the transfer station shall be deposited in areas designated by appropriate personnel.
    B.

    No garbage, refuse, rubbish or other material that does not have its origin within the Town of Southold shall be deposited or disposed of in the Town transfer station.
    C.

    No vehicle shall be permitted to transport refuse into any transfer station maintained by the Town of Southold unless such vehicle displays a valid permit or the operator pays the applicable single-entry fee, except that vehicles owned and operated by any of the following entitled shall be permitted to transport refuse into any transfer station maintained by the Town of Southold, provided that at least one valid permit and/or license has been issued to the particular entity: the State of New York, the County of Suffolk, the Village of Greenport and fire districts, school districts and park districts located within the Town of Southold.
    D.

    The attendant at the transfer station is authorized to prohibit the disposal of discarded motor vehicles and/or discarded fuel tanks having a capacity in excess of 550 gallons at the transfer station.
    E.

    All municipal recyclables must be deposited in the appropriate location of the transfer station owned by the Town of Southold.

  • Read this closely! It appears that the only reference to refuse hauling is in THIS section of the code (found online) 233-3. I just posted in its entirety, but as I see it, it only applies to carters who have an agreement with the town to use the transfer station. Also, it seems that, according to the code… commercial establishments ARE supposed to separate their recyclables before pick up. So why is THIS not enforced??? Did the town read this entire code or are they picking and choosing?

  • Thanx – appreciate the research..jb

  • I have my garbage and recyclables picked up by a local company. They have not raised their rates in 3 years and offer a discount of one month free if you pay for your year in advance. Do I think yellow bags are a pain and added expense? Yes. However, by recycling and composting (which I started in order to buy less yellow bags)I’ve reduced my family of four’s garbage to 1 bag a week.

  • You obviously have never been to Oregon.

  • Please get rid of the yellow bags; I have lived in Southold for 50 years; I have never and will never buy one; My parents taught me how to recycle garbage w/out using plastic bags and I was taught by my college professor Dr Niering to not use plastic; they are made from petroleum products the extraction of oil and production of which are destroying habitat and our planet; People lived in Southold for hundreds of years w/out plastic bags for trash; We moved to Rhode Island for my husband Kim to go to Graduate school; so he could save the peconic bay scallop from extinction, which he has, and there in our small town of Richmond you bring your trash to the landfill and it is weighed and you pay by the pound to weigh it; its a simple system; no bags; no more plastic in the landfill; no bags Scott; be smart, wise, innovative; and help save town money and the POLAR BEARS! thank you

  • “The supervisor acknowledged that customers of other carters don’t always fully separate all of their recyclables from other garbage, but said it’s up to town officials to enforce state law while maintaining a level playing field for all carters.” If they want a level playing field, why are they not enforcing the rules on all carters. Do the local bulk carriers have a ‘pass’ and the local officials look the other way when non-recyled materials are dumped on the transfer station floor?

  • I shouldn’t have to purchase Yellow Bags or pay for the operational expenses of the Transfer Station in my property taxes if a private Carter picks up my garbage from my residence. I am not utilizing any of these resources or putting a financial strain on these resources. I do not feel this is fair taxation.

  • where my daughter lived in WA, each home had 3 large rolling bins.( supplied by the carter & paid by taxes…) One bin was for household trash, one bin for all recyclables & the third bin was for clean yard waste…. pickups were different days for different bins put out the night before… Each truck had two people – a driver and a handler…the rolling bins were made so that they hooked on to a grab bar to which the handler attached them and a mechanism on the truck did the lifting & dumping…pick up was earlier than she left for work.

  • I am a GO GREEN customer. I separate and recycle -bringing cans, bottles,cardboard, plastics, glass and white paper to the transfer station. Into the GO GREEN container, I am throwing household trash using standard white or black bag into the container, not the town sanctioned yellow bag. Under the current code interpretation, am I breaking the law?

  • “…the Town will consider allowing carters to not require customers to use yellow bags if the refuse is not brought to our facility.”
    Yellow Bags are not going away anytime soon. The Town will consider dropping the requirement IF you use a private carter who DOES NOT bring your trash to the Town facility. As much as I dislike the yellow bags, they do work. If I Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, I pay LESS. If I paid the same in property taxes whether I threw a ton of trash out or a pound, what would be my motivation for reducing?

    As far as having the Town or a private contracter collect everyone’s trash, how would that cost less in the long run? If the town openned it to bid, don’t you think the large commercial operators from “up west” would underbid the local places initially, put them out of business, and then jack up the bids every year?
    I am also NOT in favor of roadside collection because I have tried to drive down Rt 25 in Riverhead on a windy trash pickup day and had to dodge trash cans and lids. It looks terrible and can be a danger. If you don’t want to put your trash in your car, you have every right to PAY someone else to do it for you. Nobody is stopping you.

  • Sounds like a similar bin as in Oregon. Hooked on to the truck, etc…
    Great system.

  • Not only that, but in my reading of the regs, it seems that commercial properties are supposed to re-cycle too. And I don’t see that in the dumpsters in downtown greenport. Except maybe for cardboard…
    So why aren’t those carters in trouble too, I wonder? And I wondered who did separate the stuff mixed in those dumpsters?

    “The owners or occupants of all commercial establishments within the Town which utilize collection services provided by persons licensed to collect refuse pursuant to the provisions of this article shall place recyclables in separate containers at curbside for collection on such day or days as the licensee serving such business shall designate.
    (b)

    It shall be unlawful for any commercial establishment to place out for collection any container in which refuse is mixed with recyclables.
    (c)

    It shall be unlawful for any commercial establishment to place out for collection any container in which one type of recyclable is mixed with any other type or types of recyclables.
    (d)

    It shall be unlawful for any private commercial refuse hauler/carter to collect refuse from any commercial establishment which is mixed with recyclables or thereafter to commingle different types of recyclables or to mix recyclables with refuse.”

  • If you read the regs, it says it applies to all garbage going to the town’s transfer station. So, where is this logic:

    a.) commercial and residential dumpsters collected by LOCAL carriers and brought to the transfer station are breaking the law BUT have not been issued violations.

    b.) go green takes the trash elsewhere BUT has been issued a violation (according to the supervisor).

    Does this sound backwards to anyone else?

  • Backwards? Absolutely! Follow the money…

  • The system used in Riverhead works very well. I don’t see why its so hard to figure out. When there is no standardized collection, it encourages littering, dumping, and trash piling up. Its so stupid to have special bags for the trash. You have to drive somewhere to get them. They rip in a heartbeat. And they are expensive! Plus, once its wrapped up, who knows whats inside????

  • I don’t understand what the problem is. This is just a poorly written town law. Both Southampton and Shelter Island use a bag system, neither requires the bags to be used by carters who are taking the refuge outside of the respective towns. Also, neither of these towns requires that residence pay for a sticker or entrance fee.

  • I find it amazing that week after week, our town supervisor is able to “waste” the towns time, resources and tax dollars to try and discredit and slander a private business who hasn’t received 1 summons, violation or as much as a parking ticket, let alone have been found guilty by anyone of violating local, state or any other law. It seems to me that it’s a blatent attempt to protect his favorite “local carters”.

    First, he tried to go after Go Green with the yellow bag scam. Since they’re “not” dumping in Southolds facility, they are “not” required to use yellow bags. Mr. Russell, we’re all happy to hear that you’re considering changing the town code to eliminate that silly system.

    Now you’re tryin to go after Go Green w curbside seperation. You claimed that Go Greens service, as it currently operates, puts your transfer stations operating permit in Jeopardy. That is false and inaccurate. I don’t see how if they’re, “not” dumping in Southolds facility, then how could they possibly affect your permit. Maybe they’ll take away Riverheads permit becaue they pass through there on the way to the dump. You must be confused, because common sense alone should tell you that can’t be true.

    The truth is, If you eliminate the “yellow bag scam” then you will lose it’s revenue and your local carters will have to pay to dump their loads, which in turn will make them raise their prices and won’t be able to compete with Go Green. That’s what this is really about! Go Green, we love your service, don’t back down!!

  • Scott, the DEC doesn’t want to do your dirty work. You tried to pull the same trick not too long ago with the farmer and his leaves. Maybe if you stop annoying the DEC, they won’t be looking at your operating permit so hard. Just a suggestion!

  • I find it amazing that your supervisor “wastes” his own time on the weekend responding to trolls who bash him in a public form ANONYMOUSLY. He was on here all weekend responding corteously to you people and you don’t have the same corteousy to identify yourselves.

  • Supervisor Russell,
    If there are two different sets of rules, then here is an opportunity for the Town to enforce their own rules with regards to commercial waste requirements just as the Town enforces them on its own tax paying residents. How can it be illegal for residents to break the rules but not illegal for businesses who do the same? It does not make any sense! I am pro-business, but why should a resident have to abide by different rules? (perfect!) After all, waste is waste, whether from a resident or a business.

    your welcome…oh, sorry …you’re welcome..now if only we were all taxed for misused language! Is this the English we try so hard to protect?

    PS Good luck getting the town to write new rules to enforce like every other civilized
    nautical town has had to do. They are far too lazy and frankly they are not intellectuallygifted enough to take that on. Want proof? Here comes another 7-11!…Maybe we’ll finally get that Walmart next year, but at least the tax burden will be on them and not you so you won’t have to worry about your precious property taxes going up another penny!

  • “Let them deal with… paying pensions for entitlement minded town employees. And then my taxes in new suffolk will go down even further. I work for the government and I know that like it or not private will always be more efficient then government”

    1) I’ll bet you will be the first in line for YOUR OWN taxpayer paid pension, Mr. Other Gov’t Worker;
    and
    2) Perhaps we can all save some money by first outsourcing YOUR job.