Nyce, Hubbard and Murray win in Greenport

03/15/2011 9:37 PM |

KATHARINE SCHROEDER PHOTO | The victors: George Hubbard, David Nyce and David Murray

Running unopposed, Greenport Mayor David Nyce won re-election Tuesday with 269 votes while incumbent Trustee George Hubbard was re-elected with 253. Newcomer David Murray won the second trustee seat at stake in Tuesday’s vote, garnering 199 votes to former trustee Bill Swiskey’s 160.

“I’m very pleased and very optimistic about what this board should be able to accomplish in the next four years,” Mr. Nyce said about the results. He and Mr. Swiskey have regularly locked horns at Village Board meetings, and during the year in which Mr. Swiskey served as a trustee, the mayor tried unsuccessfully to have him removed from a meeting, complaining that he was being disruptive.

Mr. Murray credited his victory to the help of others who supported his candidacy. It was no secret in the village that most members of the current board favored Mr. Murray.

Mr. Hubbard, the top vote-getter among trustee candidates, said he had enjoyed his first term and looked forward to continuing to work on projects for the betterment of the village.

Tuesday was a topsy-turvy night for Mr. Swiskey, who thought at one point he had a 23-vote lead over Mr. Murray. He had misunderstood the order of candidates’ listings and, when village clerk Sylvia Lazzari Pirillo read vote totals for each of the lines on the voting machine, he mistook Mr. Murray’s count for his.

This was Mr. Swiskey’s third try at elective office after he won a single-year term, replacing the late George Hubbard Sr. on the Village Board, in 2008. In 2009, he lost a bid for a full four-year term.

Apparently there was some confusion for residents who had intended to cast write-in votes. They may have been misdirected about how to do so, according to one voter. Because all five write-ins were incorrectly entered, they weren’t counted, according to Ms. Pirillo. Not only did Mr. Swiskey get a write-in vote, so too did resident John Saladino; businessman and former trustee John Costello; and actor Charlie Sheen.

When Mr. Swiskey thought he might have pulled off a victory, he said he would make sure the Village Board would take steps to repay its remaining debt of almost $8 million. Much of that comes due in 2014.

After the actual winners were announced, Mr. Swiskey said he would continue to attend board meetings and work to support a plan to include the entire village in the historic district — a proposal made by Mr. Murray and the Historic Preservation Commission, of which he has served as chairman.

Those overseeing the ballot count Tuesday night failed to invite the candidates to observe the back of the voting machine as the votes were tallied. But just before the machine was locked down and while the count of absentee ballots was under way, Mr. Swiskey asked that the candidates be allowed to view the machine. The three trustee candidates all did so.

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  • Congratulations to all the candidates who won and lost in tonights greenport village elections, Running for office requires alot of backbone all the candidates displayed that this evening when the returns were cast.Greenport village (part of southold town hamlet) is a great place to live !! That is why I chose to live here and serve my community,unfortunately I was not able to purchase a home in the historical district,and even if I did I would not be able to restore my house,why because I am not rich.However I am rich in memories of my daughter with her smiling face on the mitchell park carousel, priceless ,meanwhile Greenport village faces many challenges in the future ahead . Time will be the bearer of success.

  • A shame, Bill has the balls to say what others think (or might think if they knew what was really going on in Gport business). I wonder how many votes your paper persuaded when you bashed him last week. Ahh the power of ink. It is too bad someone so passionate about this town is only seen as a distraction by the powers that be. In time the truth will come out. Congrats to the winners!

  • i like what he had to say – but he was counter-productive. i did not feel anything would be done if he was in again

  • This website has got lots of extremely helpful stuff on it! Thank you for helping me.

  • Congratulations to all the winners in Greenport. It’s been many years since of living Greenport but I would like to see the village become more family organized a family of visions. In other words to clean up the village. I left there in 1971 , after I left high school I’ve been back several times I have a lot of friends and nine that I went to high school with say the Greenport is not the same. I hope that demand can make an impact on that area

  • Do these guy’s get a salary from the Taxpayers? If so, why do we need a Town Board in Southold and Geenport? For that matter, why do we need a Greenport Mayor and a Town of Southold Supervisor? Duplication of jobs costs ME precious money as a Working Poor Taxpayer of Southold Town!

  • As usual, nothing but idiocy and drivel comes from your mouth. They are TWO SEPARATE municipalities that SHARE services. You would know that if you weren’t such an uneducated, closed-minded transplant.

  • There are benefits to being a village. And we pay less Southold taxes than someone who pays Southold alone. AND you knew it was a village with seperate taxes when you bought.

  • There are benefits to being a village. And we pay less Southold taxes than someone who pays Southold alone. AND you knew it was a village with seperate taxes when you bought.

  • There are benefits to being a village. And we pay less Southold taxes than someone who pays Southold alone. AND you knew it was a village with seperate taxes when you bought.

  • Let’s hope someone went to visit the Wizard for a brain? The only hope is Murray the other two nimcanpoops have already proven they have no brain cells left!’

  • Let’s hope someone went to visit the Wizard for a brain? The only hope is Murray the other two nimcanpoops have already proven they have no brain cells left!’

  • Let’s hope someone went to visit the Wizard for a brain? The only hope is Murray the other two nimcanpoops have already proven they have no brain cells left!’

  • He doesn’t even live in the village – so what the heck is he talking about?

  • I just asked a question – Are there DUPLICATIONS of job assignments???? Needless spending costs ME money!

  • No idiot! You live in Southold… you pay for NOTHING in Greenport. We in Greenport pay SOUTHOLD taxes (gladly) for shared services. Don’t speak if you are not educated on the issues. Stay in SOUTHOLD!!! Please.

  • It is a shame that the most experienced person for the position did not get in because his delivery of information is rough around the edges. Smooth talkers don’t necessarily made the best decisions, just the better impressions. Every board needs someone willing to ask the tough questions, not just put a yes stamp to every proposal.

  • I could not agree with you more,we need more citizens like you,who do take the time to listen to the candidate who has the most experience and where greenport village would benefit,I am quite sure that particular candidate is watching our every comments,and by the way that candidate is a lifelong long member of the village,has a raised a family here and knows exactlywhat the voters of the village needs,after all I suppose we have not learned our lesson yet and at this point hold your breath,gas prices are rising ,food costs are rising ,as well as inflation, one thing is CERTAIN FROM SMOOTH TALKERS THERE SALARIES AND BENEFITS ARE GOING UP !!WHILE THE HARDWORKING AMERICAN FAMILIES CONTINUE TO SUFFER—- UNACCEPATABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FACT THAT SOUTHOLD RESIDENTS DO IN FACT PAY GREENPORT VILLAGE ,AND THAT IS IN THE PAYMENT OF THE EAST WEST FIRE DISTRICT TO THE GREENPORT VILLAGE/FIRE DEPARTMENT. I COULD GO AT LEGNTH.IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ,PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FOIL YOUR VILLAGE HALL,ON PRECISELY HOW SOUTHOLD TOWNS TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THIS FIRE PROTECTION /APPARATUS REPLACEMENT FUND.

  • will you all now deal with the very serious but hushed up problem of illegal imagration now!!!!! if not the down fall will come, to many here and to many living in each house or apt!!!!!!!!!!

  • will you all now deal with the very serious but hushed up problem of illegal imagration now!!!!! if not the down fall will come, to many here and to many living in each house or apt!!!!!!!!!!

  • I would like to thank the one resident ( yes, I know who it was and we will be having a long talk about it) who wrote in my name at the recent village election, with that vote, I join a long list of famous alternative candidates. Names like Mr D Duck, Mr. M Mouse, Mr. H Simpson, have long been some of the most famous and revered write in candidates, I am truly humbled to be included in such esteemed company.

  • Oh If you guys only knew what Bill was really about. He is an instigator. It doesn’t matter what position he has or whoever is in charge if it isnt’ him, he isn’t buying it. Bill is part of the reason that the majority of the staff in the Village, not including managers, are underpaid and don’t even recieve full dental benefits. The average salaries of almost all the “little” people that he champions for are below everyone elses for the same jobs elsewhere. Bill was part of the Village when it was being run into the ground. Just because he is from greenport doesn’t mean he speaks for everyone. If you get argument A he’ll argue B… not because B’s right but because it is more fun to do it. I like Bill he is a passionate man but he is by no means a solution to any problem.

  • Oh If you guys only knew what Bill was really about. He is an instigator. It doesn’t matter what position he has or whoever is in charge if it isnt’ him, he isn’t buying it. Bill is part of the reason that the majority of the staff in the Village, not including managers, are underpaid and don’t even recieve full dental benefits. The average salaries of almost all the “little” people that he champions for are below everyone elses for the same jobs elsewhere. Bill was part of the Village when it was being run into the ground. Just because he is from greenport doesn’t mean he speaks for everyone. If you get argument A he’ll argue B… not because B’s right but because it is more fun to do it. I like Bill he is a passionate man but he is by no means a solution to any problem.

  • Taxation as Extortion
    by Tibor R. Machan

    Liberty is incompatible with taxation. This despite that famous saying by Oliver Wendell Holmes that “Taxation is the price we pay for civilization.” In fact, taxation is a most uncivilized way of obtaining funds, given that it amounts to nothing less than extortion.

    Just think of it: You go to work for some company and are told you will receive a certain wage but actually receive but a fraction of what you have been offered. Why? Because a substantial portion is sent not to you, who earned it, but to other people. Why? Because if it isn’t sent to them, they will declare the company criminal and sick the police on it. So, the company is coerced to take part of your earnings and divert it to those who have this power to make them do so.

    If this isn’t exactly like what the Mafia does when it engages in extortion I don’t know what is. Yes, some of the funds extorted will be used for purposes that may actually benefit you and some who are extorted don’t protest. But maybe that’s true of what the Mafia takes from those whom it extorts, as well. And it doesn’t matter because what is wrong with extortion isn’t what the money is used for, but how it is obtained, namely, coercively.

    Often it is Robin Hood who is held up as the role model for justifying taxation: Didn’t he “steal” from the rich to “give” to the poor? Well, not, not really.

    Robin Hood did just the opposite: He stole from those who stole from the poor and returned the loot to the rightful owners. In those days the upper classes, from the king to all his cronies, routinely engaged in extortion. They disguised this, however, with the phony claim that everything belongs to the king and his cronies. Yes, monarchs and those who rationalized monarchy spun this fantasy and managed to sell it to the people that the monarchs were the rightful owners “of the realm,” that they had a “divine right” to rule us. This way when the bulk of the country went to work on the farm or wherever, they had to pay “rent” to the monarch and his cronies.

    Of course, if I live in your apartment, I pay you rent. It is your apartment, after all, so you have it coming to you. But what if you got your apartment by conquest, by robbing a bunch of people of what belongs to them? That is mostly how the monarchs got to rule the realm, by conquest. By all rights it is the folks who were working in the realm — on the land and elsewhere — who actually owned that realm, the monarchs being the phony, pretend owners, nothing better. But since they managed to bamboozle a great many powerless folks into believing that they did own the realm, the “rent” had to be paid.

    Since, however, the American Revolution put the lie to this monarchical ruse, the institution of taxation could not be passed off as some kind of legitimate rent taking. That major political change showed once and for all that monarchs were sophisticated thugs who ran roughshod over the rest of the people, who violated their basic natural rights all over the place, by robbing and conscripting them.

    Yet, because of the idea that we do need to have our rights protected by some means that involve costs, taxation remained a feature of the society that followed the change from monarchy to constitutional republicanism. Not a lot of taxation, mind you, because it seemed pretty clear to the Founders that taxation is in fact extortion. But they didn’t see some other, legitimate, morally acceptable way of collecting the funds needed to pay government for its service of securing our rights. Yet, they might have.

    There are other ways governments could be paid for their service of securing rights that couldn’t exist without legal protection. Contract fees, not taxation, could solve the problem.

    But this alternative, legitimate method wasn’t in the cards following the revolution, so taxation remained, albeit in a rather modest form. In time, however, it got out of hand.

    After all, if the Mafia just took a tiny fraction of income from its victims, most would probably put up with it all rather than resist. But when the amount moves on to 25 to 70 percent, it turns into big time extortion. And that is how we stand now with taxation — it has become big time extortion.

    Some respond to this by noting that in other countries taxation is much higher. Sure, because they are even farther from having lived up to the spirit and letter of the revolution that America experienced, namely, removing power from government and returning it to where it belongs, the individual citizens. After all, it is America that is the leader of the free world, with a lot of other countries, including most of those in Western Europe, way behind. At least that is how it was supposed to happen.

    Instead, however, the American Revolution was betrayed and the U.S.A. has undergone a reactionary period in which it reverted, substantially, to the policies of earlier systems of government. This Europeanization of America is a shame, a damned shame. And it needs to be identified as such to have any chance of being arrested.

    The first step is to acknowledge, unapologetically, that the institution of taxation is not a civilized but rather a barbaric method to fund anything, because it amounts to nothing less than outright extortion, a gross violation of human liberty.

  • WhAT nonsense! unless you are anarchist you (rather the clown you seem to believe is an intelligent American patriot, , Tibor Machem) would have us live without any government authority. You & yr pal seem to believe taxation is voluntary & somehow is a countervailing force against Liberty. It’s not, that’s why they are are called tips or contributions, but taxes. This idiot Tibor must hate America to want to see its demise as a good. Do you propose we abolish all government regulation & law? You & yr silly essayist don’t tell us how taxation is antithetical to Liberty. In fact we don’t have the slightest idea what you mean by liberty. You and all teabaggers hate democracy and our representative form of government, believing as you do taking taxes is unfair coercion by a corrupt and illegal government. You are hardly patriots, but of the same stripe as those Posse Commitatus weekend warriors, gun drenched & spouting “liberty” & “freedom,” who bought us nothing but havoc to the nation. Look up the Posse Commitatus on wikis if you are too young to remember them. They brought us several lethal fights with their adored guns, killing law officers. They brought us the Muarray Bldg killing of innocents in a nursey school in OK to tell us government is an evil. Tim McVeigh acted out of a lunatic belief we have an illegal government & they are not going to be taxed. Their utter stupidity led to one of the darkest days in the history of our Republic. Yes you have bananas, too bad you don’t have common sense. The extreme right Posse Commitatus kind of faded after the traiterous blast in OKlahoma. They reemerged as the Minimen, which also faded after the hienous murder of Brisenia Flores, a beautiful 9 yr old American by gun-drenched hoodlums who could murder a child to show us we have an illicit government. Funny, since the murder of Flores, the minis have disappeared for the moment, only to reemerge as Tea Partiers. I have personally seen the same shrill anti-immigrant hecklers who carry flags and preach hate against Latinos on many occasions show up at Teaparty demos right here in Suffolk, in Riverhead & Southampton. If you hate what America stands for, why don’t you move to a country without a goverment authority, let alone a democratic one. Somalia or the Sudan where government is so weak every male adult over 13 carries a dagger and a Kalishnikof machine gun should suit you to a T. You won’t have to pay taxes there or in the heart of the Democratic Republic of Congo or worry about government providing any kind of protection. I like civilization. I want a government with coercive authority. I prefer to pay taxes and live in America and support out government than follow yr ruinous idea of what kind of government we should have.
    If you really believe you shouldn’t pay taxes, if you really believe they are illegal, you should refuse to pay them. Step right up and proclaim yr principles; don’t compromise with evil; proclaim yr willingness to stand on principal. Refuse to use any government sponsored infrastructure, don’t use the roads. don’t shop for meat, because our government has no authority to protect consumers or inspect anything or set standards or enact laws. Don’t use county water or walk in a park or send yr kids to school or buy anything from anywhere that charges you tax upon goods. Teaparty Repubs are downright foolish. Too bad you can neither think or write for yourself, but only spout slogans and the stupidity of illogic..