State land claim delays approval for Greenport restaurant

02/25/2011 12:10 PM |

SUFFOLK TIMES FILE PHOTO | A restaurant is proposed for where White's Bait Shop now stands in Greenport.

The restaurant with outdoor dining planned for the White’s Bait Shop property on the Greenport waterfront could be derailed because of state objections.

Greenport Planning Board members told applicant Richard Webley at their work session Thursday that they couldn’t give site plan approval until property owner Cheryl Inzerillo obtains state approval.

It’s unclear how the state got involved in the application, but Planning Board members said they had learned only that day that the state objected to plans to put tables and chairs outside the building.

At issue are public rights of access to land that abuts the water. New York State policy is to prohibit interference with those rights.

Neighbor Bill Claudio of Claudio’s Restaurant was at Thursday’s work session and said he’d invested thousands of dollars over seven years to establish clear title to his property on the Greenport waterfront, including his rights of access to the water.
Ms. Inzerillo, also at the meeting, has not fought that battle. She said she had been approached by Merlon Wiggin, who handled the paperwork for the Claudio family, to join in the effort, but was later told by Mr. Wiggin that he had no time to deal with her part of the claim.

That’s not how Mr. Claudio remembered it. He said Ms. Inzerillo’s mother, Ruth White, owned the property at the time and refused to join forces with him.

Whatever the case, Ms. Inzerillo expressed a willingness to take necessary steps to clear her title with the state, but that could take years.

That left Ms. Inzerillo and Mr. Webley, to whom she planned to lease the property for his restaurant, in limbo.

After some wrangling with Mr. Webley’s attorney, Patricia Moore, board members said they might approve the project subject to the state’s clearance, but that could still leave the project up in the air.

“We can’t approve a site plan that includes a commercial use” of property over which the state claims rights, Planning Board chairwoman Lara McNeil said at the outset of the discussion.

“That position to me is an unreasonable position,” Ms. Moore said. “I think you’d be setting a very horrible precedent” for all waterfront property owners in Greenport, she said.

“We’re sworn to uphold the law and it would be a dereliction of duty” to ignore the state’s stance, said board member Eileen Rich.

Village attorney Joseph Prokop promised to review various property deeds and surveys provided by Ms. Moore and to render an advisory opinion to the board about the title and access issues. He also promised to provide Ms. Moore with copies of the state’s objection to use of the land for outdoor dining.

While saying he had no objection to Mr. Webley’s application to operate a restaurant, Mr. Claudio questioned the need for another eatery in a village that already has so many. “I have no opposition to anybody; this is a free society,” he said. But he also warned that he didn’t want his parking lot to be used by Mr. Webley’s customers.

The new would-be restaurateur said he didn’t believe his eatery would be a destination spot as Mr. Claudio’s restaurant is. Mr. Claudio scoffed at that, saying all of Greenport is now a destination and that he took some credit for building and sustaining its popularity.

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  • This shouldn’t be a restaurant that uses disposable plates and utensils- it is too close to the water. Think of all the debris that will blow right into the already-stagnant end of the channel there. Just think of the paper napkins here, the straw wrappers there. It would be a mess!
    Claudio’s uses a lot of disposable stuff but at least they have a portion of their dock closed off to waist high so it all doesn’t blow straight into the water. Billy’s by the bay looked like a dumping yard last summer with all the plastic cups and wrappers they were tearing through… Considering the beautiful environment that surrounds us, more thought should be given to the disposable materials that are used. biodegradable and compostable ‘plastic’ cups and plates are available. businesses should be encouraged to use them.

  • Why are some businesses in the village required to provide parking and others are not?

  • I would like to question how the State knew of the proposal for a restaurant on the White’s property and how it mysteriously contacted the board on the morning of the meeting. Not too koshia if you ask me. Especially since I have seen all the deeds to the White property and they distinctly give them that property. I would love to see the documentationto verify the state ownership….if in fact they own it.

  • Good comment about the garbage issue but I doubt the business will last given the fact that it is surrounded by so many competitors and it is an extremely seasonal business model. Good luck but it will be very tough.

  • “The would-be restaurateur said he didn’t believe his eatery would be a destination spot…” Then why do it? Either the gentlemen has no idea how much work goes into even the smallest restaurant or he wont be there doing the work….

    Your business model is set up to “steal” business from owners that work so very hard to create “destination spot (s)”. We do what we do in the hopes of being a place people come to from afar. If you don’t have that mentality then your business is already a failure before you even put your plumbing in.

    If the village is smart they will rent that property and turn it onto a small business development center. Southold town could use it as a home base for all our coordinated marketing efforts. ie Holiday festival, proposed oyster festival, maritime festival, Save the American Legion,…etc. There could be mktg/adv tools made available. A print center and the likes. High School kids could come in and volunteer. Getting to work side by side with veteran business owners and pick their brains is PRICELESS.

    Or maybe the old red schoolhouse for something like that. Just an idea. But so was air hockey at some point. And i love air hockey.

  • And this is Marc Lamaina. Owner of Butta’ Cakes. And I will be direct competition with this eatery. And I love competition. I wash my face in it every morning. I keep it in my wallet. I use it as a chaser. I chose competition over my brother for best man at my wedding. ; )

  • It would be highly ironic if the space became a small business development center after turning down the application for a new small business!

    Given the feedback from veteran business owners so far I am not sure picking their brains would really help any new business wanting to invest in the town.

  • Mr. Brown,,, the irony is that they want to open a breakfast and lunch spot when there are 5 of them already existing within 400 yards. And no one even knows who this guy is. This isn’t park slope. We don’t need so many places serving the same style of product.

    They could use a small business center to research what would succeed in the area. They obviously have no clue. And the “picking of the brains” would be for the local students… who could work with local business veterans to see how the game is played. And i’m not a small business owner “veteran” yet but I do love when i am given the opportunity to speak to those that are. And 6 years of IT/MKTG/COMM experience is enough to give guidance to kids in school who wish to go into business for themselves.

    Everyone wants to take take take.. till there is nothing left. Im sure myself and every other business owner in this town has donated more to local charity than you pay in taxes. Investing in greenport is NOT opening a breakfast and lunch spot where the old bait shop is… Use your heads.

    Mr. Brown, can I come to your town (if not gport) and open a food establishment for 4 months of the year. Then close for 8. How does that HELP your town??? Remember Metro Cafe?

    Good luck. You will need it.

  • Sounds like Mr. Claudio wants to keep his corner locked down. He’s working to hard to make it difficult for this newcomer. Greenport needs all the new blood it can get. And 4 months a year is better than nothing. And nothing is pretty much what happens on the north fork in the winter. Always has been.

  • “The would-be restaurateur said he didn’t believe his eatery would be a destination spot…” Then why do it? Your business model is set up to “steal” business from owners…”

    I guess you don’t feel the local people matter, only the people that visit or come to us as a “destination” will shop or eat. Also why should a recently established business like yours get preference because he’s here already, business’s survive on the quality and service they provide, if he provides neither he’ll fail, if we use your logic there would only be one eatery, ice cream shop, women’s clothing store, etc. etc. in the Village. One last thing, your previous posts do not really convey your proclaimed love of competition.

  • John, you obviously have never been in my shop. 80 percent of the people we serve during the off season are local. They come to us because we are now a destination spot. But local’s can not support a specialized business such as mine. We rely on out of towners to pay the bills. Yesterday 3 couples from Easthampton, Center Moriches and Riverhead all came in because “we had to taste your sandwiches”, “We heard about you on Face Book” and “My kids had your cupcakes at a friends birthday party”. It is hard to believe a seasonal bfast/lunch spot down bootleg ally will corral that support. That support comes from being open all year and busting your tail to to so. That support is why we are still around and going on year 3.

    If your not in the game for the full 60 minutes then I don’t want you here. And i say that as a LOCAL who give a damn about his hometown.

    We bleed local. I am local. My family and my friends are local. So i guess you are wrong in saying I dont feel the local people matter. Mom I swear John is wrong! lol. But fact is I stay in business because of the “season”. And my local clientele won’t take offense to that. They know that. They understand.

    “Preference”… I don’t understand. I didn’t say the state owns that walk through. And if i did who am I but a local business owner. Butta’ didnt build itself. I did. And I am damn proud of that. But they can do what they want in the Whites building. Im telling you my thoughts on why they shouldn’t open based on their proposed business plan.

    In regard to competition… I love it. But enough is enough. There is a reason there are only two teams on a field at once.

  • Marc, I have been in your shop, and I remember when you opened you sold cupcakes, and then expanded your menu to include other things, I assume to provide more choice to more people (good plan). Perhaps the business in Whites will do that also. You say “eighty percent of your off season business are Greenporters, but Greenporters alone cannot support your business in the off season so your business relies on out of towners to pay the bills”. Perhaps the business in Whites will be as lucky to have a large niche following to carry them through the lean times also.
    I too am a local who cares about his village, but I’m not sure it matters to me if a particular business is seasonal or full time or if his product is in direct competition with another business. Your opinion is, a business owner to be relevant in this village has to “be in the game for the full 60 minutes” do the numerous seasonal and reduced hour businesses in town all agree with that assessment? Lastly you say you do not care what they do in the bait shop, you love competition, but yet you want to restrict the number of “teams on the field”. As a consumer and a taxpayer in this village I would like lots of “teams” on the field, the more “teams” the higher the tax base for the village, the more “teams” the more choices for the consumers, the more “teams” on the field reduces the amount of vacant storefronts and helps to put on a better face on the village, for visitors. Marc if you go back and re-read all you posts I think you will see, that you say no, but in reality it is ALL about the competition for your business.

  • Marc, Marc, Marc… “We don’t need so many places serving the same style of product. ” Who are you to say? I suspect you fear competition and brother, your eats (although pretty good) ain’t cheap. So I think competition is just what you need right now.

  • I completely agree with Marc. I am a local. My family has been local for 150 years. The last thing we need in Greenport is to have another place to eat Breakfast and Lunch. The spot isn’t even a good one. Views of wood and parking lots and bluestone next to Mitchell Park. Greenport needs creativity. It needs businesses that keep locals interested in town. Greenport is great if you love boutiques/eating/ drinking. There isn’t a whole lot else. We need more business owners who realize this like Marc.

  • Butta cakes opened in Spring 2009 and sold only cupcakes. When the menu was expanded to sell breakfast and lunch didn’t you feel he might be stealing (his words) some one else’s business?
    You say, “Greenport is great if you love boutiques/eating/ drinking. There isn’t a whole lot else (really? cleaners, hardware, supermarket, plumbing supply, etc,etc, you get the idea). We need more business owners who realize this like Marc.” Of course, and he realized this only after he opened his business. I really don’t need you deciding what I should look at while I’m eating (ever eat at Vine, do you like looking at the IGA?) It’s time to be honest here, This is all about eliminating a potential competitor or trying to.

  • John,
    First off no one makes sandwiches or any food products like we do. We specialize. Our food is SPECIAL. If the new owners specialize then all the luck to them… Please read on….

    Taxes are still being paid on empty store fronts. Just ask the owners of those buildings.

    You say…
    “I too am a local who cares about his village, but I’m not sure it matters to me if a particular business is seasonal or full time or if his product is in direct competition with another business.”

    Well it matters to me. I want Greenport to thrive all year long. I don’t want 60% of home sales going to the weekend warrior. I want Greenport to be alive on a Thursday night in January. The only way to do that is to put businesses in this town that meet the needs of the locals and have more “full 60 minute” home owners (i love quoting myself. Makes me feel important). I could open up a new can of worms with that previous sentence but so be it.

    Lets just say you were a plumber from out of town. And the “plumber pie” for Greenport was full. But you love the town. You think it is a cash cow for 4 months of the year!!! BUT there just isn’t any more demand for any more plumbers. But you don’t care about the pie. You see that quick money potential in those 4 months when all those summer folks are out clogging their toilets… So you decide your going to open for 4 months of the year. Right in the main flow of tourist traffic. To hell with the plumbers who work in Greenport for the entire year. The same plumbers that look to those 4 months to get them over the hump. Maybe get to take a 3 day vacation to Florida in January.

    That being said, how do you think you would be welcomed into the business community of Greenport? Not warmly. Sure all the other plumbers will say competition is great! We learned that in business school. It is Great. It pushes the owners ingenuity and advertising suave, and it lowers prices for the consumer… at at what COST? Maybe 3 of those local plumbers now can’t pay their health insurance none the less go on vacation… Competition is great as long as it is regulated. As you will see i suspect in the coming decade as the US tries to become a producing country again. Regulation for the good of organism. That organism, alive and well… being Greenport in this instance.

    John, why do you think there are so many empty store fronts? I believe one of the reasons to be people come into this town without doing ANY research of the socioeconomics of the town. They always wanted to open a _____ (fill in the blank) store and think Greenports the place to do it. Greenport doesn’t nee

  • John,

    First off no one makes sandwiches or any food products like we do. We specialize. Our food is SPECIAL. If the new owners specialize then all the luck to them… Please read on….

    Taxes are still being paid on empty store fronts. Just ask the owners of those buildings.

    You say…
    “I too am a local who cares about his village, but I’m not sure it matters to me if a particular business is seasonal or full time or if his product is in direct competition with another business.” You should if you live and work locally WANT all businesses in Gport to have the ability to remain open all year!!!! And too much competition is a bad thing in a small town that can’t support it.

    It matters to me. I want Greenport to thrive all year long. I dont want 80% of stores to have “see you in April” signs on the door. And I don’t want 60% of home sales going to the weekend warrior. I want Greenport to be alive on a Thursday night in January. The only way to do that is to put businesses in this town that meet the needs of the locals and have more “full 60 minute” home owners (i love quoting myself. Makes me feel important). I could open up a new can of worms with that previous home owner comment… but so be it.

    Lets just say you were a plumber from out of town. And the “plumber pie” for Greenport was full. But you love the town. You think it is a cash cow for 4 months of the year!!! BUT there just isn’t any more demand for any more plumbers. But you don’t care about the pie. Screw the pie. You have to live too! Right?

    You see that quick money potential in those 4 months when all those summer folks are out clogging their toilets… So you decide your going to open for 4 months of the year. Right in the main flow of tourist traffic. To hell with the plumbers who work in Greenport for the entire year. The same plumbers that look to those 4 months to get them over the hump. Maybe get to take a 3 day vacation to Florida in January.

    That being said, how do you think you would be welcomed into the business community of Greenport? Not warmly. Sure all the other plumbers will say competition is great! We learned that in business school. It is Great. It pushes the owners ingenuity and advertising suave, and it lowers prices for the consumer… but at what COST? Maybe 3 of those local plumbers now can’t pay their health insurance none the less go on vacation… But you must know that the locals are the people that will allow you to feed your kids through the winter. But you ostracized them by dropping into town and taking business from their neibhor. Maybe. Or maybe you suck as a plumber and your 4 month business plan is so obviously not what this community needs you don’t even get enough tourist toilets to fix… And poof your gone in a summer. Off to try to exploit the next waterfront community for “4” months of the year.

    Competition is great as long as it is regulated. That responsibility is given to our local government. And must be taken seriously.

    You may reply with “Regulation is BAD” “Government keep out of businesses business!”…. Fact is without it you would be buying your car at Walmart. You may like that cause you would be getting it so much cheaper. Albeit the horn wont work.

    Greenport Town Board must regulate the types of businesses that come into this town or it will become a haugpage (sp) of 4 month a year, money hungry types who dont give a damn that the Porters didn’t make it upstate!!!

    John, why do you think there are so many empty store fronts? I believe one of the reasons to be people come into this town without doing ANY research of the socioeconomics of the town. They always wanted to open a _____ (fill in the blank) store and think Greenports the place to do it.

    Greenport doesn’t need another breakfast/lunch spot. Period. Take a trip into the city and get inspired. There is a million ideas that will work in that location.

    But “specialize”… Know the community, and introduce a product or service that is in demand.

    It damn sure itsn’t egg sandwiches and fish & chips.

  • “Competition is great as long as it is regulated. That responsibility is given to our local government. And must be taken seriously.”

    Oh no, no… Marc, local government has NO business telling me that I can’t open a breakfast spot, a plumbing supply store, a clothing store or anything else simply because we have “too many” of them. If the use is allowed, the you and the Village and Mr. Claudio have NO right to stop them.

    Breakfast in Greenport costs and arm and a leg these days… bring on a cheaper joint. Please.

    And if we use your logic (requiring that every new business owner follow the Greenport Porters and live here year round YOU, my friend, are living in a fantasy world.

  • Foodi… Pretty good? come on now man. Get real. Our food is cooked to order awesomeness! How are you a foodie and say our food is “pretty good”… LOL. I LAUGH at you. And damn real we are NOT cheap. Who likes cheap food? Cheap food means cheap product. Go eat at Taco Bell if you want cheap. Go fill up on that stuff. Its your body man.

    I tell you I love competition and you say I fear it. Maybe in the octagon, but not personally for my store. I fear it for the town. Do you understand what I am saying? Do you understand where I am coming from…. as a person who wants to see an all year town… thats all. And in saying that we do NOT need another breakfast spot. Not until there are more locals.

    Thanks for listening. I appreciate your business. But since you don’t have the hutzpa to use a real name I will never be able to thank you in person. : (

  • It doesn’t take Mr. Smiths “invisible hand” to see the writing on the wall.

  • Foodie3. I understand the market will regulate itself. But local regulation is a fact of life. I am regulated as to what I can do here in the shop. I had to present my ideas for Butta’ Cakes to the GP planning board. They regulated some aspects of my business. For the good or bad. I am regulated every day by the Suffolk County Health Department… Call me crazy but businesses need be regulated for the greater good of the towns economic health. Or we can continue to see for rent signs every spring.

    And yes. I truly feel that all LOCAL business owners should atleast know the name of the local basketball team. Is that too much to ask? Are you are so capitalistic you can’t see where I am coming from?

    I am not saying dont open a food establishment…. Please do. I am saying a town can only maintain a certain number of businesses that all server the same product.

    Prices are high all around. I invite you into the shop to see my receipts from Inter County Bakers and Restaurant Depot. Ingredients aren’t cheap. Especially for small shops like Butta’ Cakes.

    And again I must say you are crazy for saying our food is “pretty good”. ; )

  • oh marc, dear marc, you just don’t get it. competition is not regulated, nor should it ever be. If you REALLY understood competition and loved it as you claim, you would have looked at the White’s Bait Shop ordeal as an opportunity. An educated business owner would use this opportuniy to re-evaluate their biusiness. They would use the “possibility” of competition as the impetus to propell their business by targeting and putting into action what would possibly set them apart from the “new store” that might be opening up. And, if you were really confident in your product and service, you would not be so vehement about a new store opening up near you. Start to think BIG, Marc, not like a small town business owner who thinks he has a better product then the next guy and is resting in his laurels. We live in America where free enterprise rules! Don’t get mad, get smart!

  • oh, and another thing. for god’s sakes stop selling your store on this blog.

  • Bill Claudio should be embarrassed by the people who make his restaurant their destination.

  • Bill Claudio should be embarrassed by the people who make his restaurant their destination.

  • Lily, I didnt want to respond again to this post. But now I must. If not to promote Butta’ Cakes then to ask you… are you calling me uneducated? or an uneducated business owner? If so that is something better said in person or with using a last name. I should look at Whites as a business opportunity? Stop being silly. And any “impetus” i may have is none of your business.

    However… I must disagree.
    It is the responsibility of the “new” store to set themselves apart for the stores that are established. It is NOT ours! This is a small town with different rules than corporate america. And there are moral rules in the Restaurant world that you may know nothing of. I would like to think morals and ethics are still alive and well here. The new kind on the block should tread lightly… If thats is hard to understand for you then you must not be in the biz and i am sure you enjoy your weekends off. Some people, like you Lily, watch the news and watch commercials and see Burger King vs McDonalds or Coke vs Pepsi and take that business mentality and use it for every business model in every location. Stop doing that.

    This is the last time I will say this… I am not afraid of the competition of a breakfast/lunch place on the end of bootleg ally. I am already competitive with D’Latte, Bruces, Sterlington, the Market, Coronet and Harborfront. EVERYONE of us has a different take on what we do. And MORE importantly we all stay open pretty much ALL YEAR! And Lily, we are all great spots and none afraid of competition.

    I am OPPOSED to the opening of any new store in Gport where the owners already made the decision that they will open 4 months a year. And it it my business as a TAXPAYER and someone who really cares about the town to want to see every store front with a store in it YEAR ROUND!

    FYI: I say “gport doesn’t need another bfast/lunch spot because I live in Gport. Right downtown. And I wake up everyday and I go outside and I say to myself “self, we do not need another bfast spot in town. Can someone open a _________?…”

    In regard to regulation… Competition is ALWAYS regulated. Be it by the free market, local or state government or as you will learn by local town/village government. If competition was not regulated I’d be taking Human Growth Hormone and be starting linebacker for the Giants. Anyway, the reason why there are currently over 10 store fronts in Greenport for rent is from this free enterprise system you love so much. FE works in towns that have a local population that can afford to support it. The only way to afford it is to have year round JOBS. And DAMNIT LILY the only way to have JOBS in Greenport is to have the stores that open in this town to WANT to be year round stores. SO the local gov. or anyone with some business sense needs to help REGULATE what type and how many of any store goes into this town. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?

    LASTLY…
    I am offended when you say “think big”, “better product”, “laurels”… . And think you should….

    Friend us on Face Book http://www.facebook.com/butta.cakes
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    And look out for our “Need More Butta'” cookbook coming out by Christmas. (email me you name and address and I will send you one lily. Serious.

    You will see I never rest. And my customer base (“butta’ heads”) are loyal and loving and growing every day.

    “oh, and another thing. for god’s sakes stop selling your store on this blog.” – Lily

    “oops” – Marc

  • For the record, the applicant is intending to open year round and this was presented to the board as part of the business plan. Serving the Ice skating rink on a cold night with soup and coffee, catering for locals who want an alternate option for a morning snack, and offering a range of quality and fairly priced options for locals wanting to read the morning paper in a pleasant environment. This proposal is about investing in Greenport and building a sustainable relationship with the local community and local environment, not about taking away revenue from other businesses.

    To quote Adam Smith on competition “Self-interested competition in the free market tends to benefit society as a whole by keeping prices low, while still building in an incentive for a wide variety of goods and services”

    And on the subject of monopolies Smith warned of the “collusive nature of business interests, which may form cabals or monopolies, fixing the highest price which can be squeezed out of the buyers”. He also warned that a true “laissez-faire economy” would quickly become a conspiracy of businesses and industry against consumers, with the former scheming to influence politics and legislation.

  • For the record, the applicant is intending to open year round and this was presented to the board as part of the business plan. Serving the Ice skating rink on a cold night with soup and coffee, catering for locals who want an alternate option for a morning snack, and offering a range of quality and fairly priced options for locals wanting to read the morning paper in a pleasant environment. This proposal is about investing in Greenport and building a sustainable relationship with the local community and local environment, not about taking away revenue from other businesses.

    To quote Adam Smith on competition “Self-interested competition in the free market tends to benefit society as a whole by keeping prices low, while still building in an incentive for a wide variety of goods and services”

    And on the subject of monopolies Smith warned of the “collusive nature of business interests, which may form cabals or monopolies, fixing the highest price which can be squeezed out of the buyers”. He also warned that a true “laissez-faire economy” would quickly become a conspiracy of businesses and industry against consumers, with the former scheming to influence politics and legislation.

  • “And this is Marc Lamaina. Owner of Butta’ Cakes. And I will be direct competition with this eatery. And I love competition. I wash my face in it every morning. I keep it in my wallet. I use it as a chaser. I chose competition over my brother for best man at my wedding.”

    Greenport’s very own Charlie Sheen?

  • Regardless of what happens with this project, the Claudio family will make these tenants miserable…. My guess is that before they spend 100k on this building for the landlord that they should speak to some people who have been squashed by Bill and co before the follow through…

  • Marc – I am looking to open a breakfast place on Main Street… perhaps we should talk… I think the market is underserved and over priced… i am thinking 1.99 specials and 5.00 lunches…

  • Marc – I am looking to open a breakfast place on Main Street… perhaps we should talk… I think the market is underserved and over priced… i am thinking 1.99 specials and 5.00 lunches…

  • Of course! Lets talk. My only worry is how will you pay your overhead when the COGS will be more than you gross for the day. That could be a dilemma. You would make around 1.30 a special. Sell 200 a month and you got rent covered. Pay your staff, electric, water, gas, garbage disposal, insurance, workmans comp, distributers, permit to operate, taxes, maybe pay yourself, paper goods, janitorial goods, advertising (and + for me… car loan, school loan, home rent) and donations and hope you come out on top. WAIT no money left for fun activities! ; )

    But $1.99 specials = microwaved egg sandwiches. gross. Nobody wants that. And if they do 7/11 has it covered buddy.
    But we can most def sit and talk. Oh and we have 5.00 sandwiches for highschool kids and 1 dollar coffee for the working man/woman.

    Bemused, you only have to chat with me to see I am totally joking about using competition as a chaser. Obviously I don’t need a chaser. And my brother is my best man. Use your sense of humor. It’s not that serious. AND use your real names. It’s a discussion board on our hometown newspaper and you guys hide in anonymity. Come on now, introduce yourself. I put myself out there for all to judge. Your only human once.

    buttacakesgpt on twitter

  • *2000 a month. sorry for getting your hopes up. typo

  • I can’t even believe you marc! let these people do as they please, YOU have NOTHING to do with it!!! YOU FEAR COMPETITION, when them in business you will have to lower your prices because your food is WAY over priced!! Your food is nothing special! this is very FUNNY to me, because your making yourself look like a JERK, i hope this hurts your business cause i know after reading how nasty you are, i would NEVER go to your store again, and i will be sure NO ONE I KNOW GOES TO YOUR “STORE” and i PROMISE you, i am more local to this area than you can ever dream of!!!!!!!!!!! It embarrassing how our local government works, anyone following this closely should be able to see EXACTLY what is going on. If you think this business is going to fail, then let them fail, but give them a chance, WHO R U TO SAY NO TO THEM? I wish them the best of luck and i will be supporting their business.
    btw, isn’t Claudios closed for the winter months?

  • I can’t even believe you marc! let these people do as they please, YOU have NOTHING to do with it!!! YOU FEAR COMPETITION, when them in business you will have to lower your prices because your food is WAY over priced!! Your food is nothing special! this is very FUNNY to me, because your making yourself look like a JERK, i hope this hurts your business cause i know after reading how nasty you are, i would NEVER go to your store again, and i will be sure NO ONE I KNOW GOES TO YOUR “STORE” and i PROMISE you, i am more local to this area than you can ever dream of!!!!!!!!!!! It embarrassing how our local government works, anyone following this closely should be able to see EXACTLY what is going on. If you think this business is going to fail, then let them fail, but give them a chance, WHO R U TO SAY NO TO THEM? I wish them the best of luck and i will be supporting their business.
    btw, isn’t Claudios closed for the winter months?

  • I can’t even believe you marc! let these people do as they please, YOU have NOTHING to do with it!!! YOU FEAR COMPETITION, when them in business you will have to lower your prices because your food is WAY over priced!! Your food is nothing special! this is very FUNNY to me, because your making yourself look like a JERK, i hope this hurts your business cause i know after reading how nasty you are, i would NEVER go to your store again, and i will be sure NO ONE I KNOW GOES TO YOUR “STORE” and i PROMISE you, i am more local to this area than you can ever dream of!!!!!!!!!!! It embarrassing how our local government works, anyone following this closely should be able to see EXACTLY what is going on. If you think this business is going to fail, then let them fail, but give them a chance, WHO R U TO SAY NO TO THEM? I wish them the best of luck and i will be supporting their business.
    btw, isn’t Claudios closed for the winter months?

  • again, i do not fear competition. Our food is not over priced. By all means come sit down and I will show you our food costs. Happens to be that we use high end product, so it will cost more. If you know me I am far from a jerk and very far from nasty. Sorry you took my words as coming off as being such. Again I was just stating my opinion and some facts. I am glad you are more local than I can dream of. I don’t really dream about how local people are, but I am sure if I did you would be at the top of the list. And lastly Claudios is closed in the winter. Yes you are right. Claudios has also been here for 141 years. That probably makes them more local than you. Probably not though.

    And “who are you” to tell your friends not to come to my store? ; )

  • Senator Lavalle when you say a lot of people “are not ready for it” make it clear that you are speaking only for yourself and don’t tarnish us with your narrow mindedness.